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***BULLFUCKIN SHIT!!!*** The kid did what he was told to do, why did he get shot anyway? uponit7771 Apr 2021 #1
"THE cop literally had a "split second" to make the decision" WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #2
He sure had time to aim, though, didn't he? Mr.Bill Apr 2021 #3
That's nonsense. At that range and in that time frame, the pistol was pointed, not aimed. It was Atticus Apr 2021 #13
It was aimed well enough for one shot to kill almost instantly. Mr.Bill Apr 2021 #16
They're not trained to point. TwilightZone Apr 2021 #42
Aiming a pistol involves lining up the blade front sight with the notch in the rear sight and the Atticus Apr 2021 #70
Training and practice. TwilightZone Apr 2021 #45
+1 JoeOtterbein Apr 2021 #105
It all happened so fast its hard to put it all on the cop. rickyhall Apr 2021 #4
No, this is why the cops follow dept rules and common sense. like don't get close to someone uponit7771 Apr 2021 #8
You're right, the cop should have slowed things down. He had the car for cover, the kid had none. rickyhall Apr 2021 #14
They were both running down the alley questionseverything Apr 2021 #67
Then the LEO should have use 1. Time as a tactic, 2. Distance, 3. warning, basically what it uponit7771 Apr 2021 #113
As someone who lives in the middle of my lil city questionseverything Apr 2021 #137
"The idea of giving an armed jerk, time and distance at 3am is terrifying" Then don't be a cop !!! uponit7771 Apr 2021 #144
I don't want the cop giving armed criminals questionseverything Apr 2021 #156
The kid stopped, the training after that takes over ... period. uponit7771 Apr 2021 #157
It's illegal to shoot a fleeing suspect StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #162
It was illegal to shoot at the cars too questionseverything Apr 2021 #181
You're putting the kid and the cop on the same level? StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #191
"A trained cop shoots a 13-year-old kid who just surrendered according to his orders..." sop Apr 2021 #227
Exactly StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #228
It seems stopping, dropping the gun, turning around and surrendering is a capital offense now. sop Apr 2021 #232
Your post just above is disigenuous---at best---because it ignores the FACT that the Atticus Apr 2021 #278
There is a difference between a risk and a threat. sop Apr 2021 #296
Your description of what happened is, at best, disingenuous. nt Atticus Apr 2021 #258
What special insight do you have that the rest of us do not? sop Apr 2021 #276
No criticism from here. Disaffected Apr 2021 #5
Please. sheshe2 Apr 2021 #65
THis has been discussed at length Disaffected Apr 2021 #96
Sorry I have not been on all those threads that it has been discussed. sheshe2 Apr 2021 #115
He wouldn't have a stun gun to face an armed suspect. 58Sunliner Apr 2021 #186
The person I responded to brought up the Wright killing not Toledos. sheshe2 Apr 2021 #217
They always end up the same way StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #224
Exactly what the defense is saying about George Floyd. sheshe2 Apr 2021 #229
You know, at first I thought "hey she was probably a rookie" Bettie Apr 2021 #286
Both statements in your last sentence are correct. CrispyQ Apr 2021 #323
But Adam Toledo did as ordered, and still he died. Sucha NastyWoman Apr 2021 #6
+1, people are avoiding this one question. It's because the LEO didn't follow rules here ... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #10
Can you cite some authority for what seems like a rule requiring cops to be cowards--- i.e., Atticus Apr 2021 #19
Cowards? More like common sense. wnylib Apr 2021 #78
Common sense and training, you're wrong here. The cop didn't follow training and a kid died ... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #85
In other words, you have nothing to support what you are saying. It is just what you think. Atticus Apr 2021 #91
Link inside uponit7771 Apr 2021 #110
Linked it down thread already uponit7771 Apr 2021 #221
I watched the same videos you did EndlessWire Apr 2021 #213
Or third and best option, waited a second longer to see if there's compliance Arazi Apr 2021 #230
The white cop gets the benefit of the doubt StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #233
I'd call it intelligence, common sense, & self-preservation. CaptainTruth Apr 2021 #111
+1, CPD use of force talks about distance (link inside) uponit7771 Apr 2021 #118
Waiting. nt Atticus Apr 2021 #79
Linked down thread a couple of times uponit7771 Apr 2021 #136
Ha-ha! nt Atticus Apr 2021 #141
... really ?! I post CPD use of force and you laugh?! ... sigh, whatever. uponit7771 Apr 2021 #146
You posted a SUMMARY which briefly describes what is covered by the Atticus Apr 2021 #167
omfg, section 7 of the summary doesn't back up the leos actions. uponit7771 Apr 2021 #171
That is not the point, is it? The point is, does section seven back up YOUR numerous Atticus Apr 2021 #177
Yes, the leo didn't follow the UOF rules ... you can read them yourself but the summary uponit7771 Apr 2021 #183
And, still, the fact remains that you have failed or refused to respond with a source which Atticus Apr 2021 #261
This is false, everyone can read man uponit7771 Apr 2021 #283
Indeed, but you don't seem to think that proves my point. We are done. nt Atticus Apr 2021 #287
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RIGHT ?!!? I'd bet over 90% of unarmed shooting is because LEO didn't follow rules, training etc uponit7771 Apr 2021 #139
Don't be out at 2AM on a school night shooting at passing cars with a gun? MichMan Apr 2021 #17
None of the kids pre-action justifies execution, people have a hard time answering this question... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #20
People make mistakes StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #30
+1, yep ... cops gets benefit of the doubt kid does not uponit7771 Apr 2021 #40
You ignored the shooting at people part but otherwise yes sound alright to me Devil Child Apr 2021 #322
If a cop hadn't pulled the trigger after telling him to put his hands up, he'd still be alive StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #325
'Lil homicide was his gang nickname and how some of his peers addressed him in their eulogies Devil Child Apr 2021 #329
It's not "fitting" at all. StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #330
Cruel, petty, and obnoxious is quite fitting for a deceased member of a criminal gang. Devil Child Apr 2021 #332
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Don't shoot at cars EndlessWire Apr 2021 #192
Don't shoot children who stop running and put up their hands just like you told them to StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #200
It wasn't like that. EndlessWire Apr 2021 #218
The cop told him to put up his hands StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #222
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I'm pretty sure my parents never even had to tell me not to run around on the streets at 2 am. Treefrog Apr 2021 #237
Actually, in the video, he looked pretty white to me. nt LAS14 Apr 2021 #318
Whether he threw the gun somewhere or dropped it his hands were still up AZProgressive Apr 2021 #7
This is the type of response I expected. nt Atticus Apr 2021 #22
My criticism wasn't that intense AZProgressive Apr 2021 #33
Yes, looking the other way is less messy than being informed and staging your opinion. nt Atticus Apr 2021 #262
More like being informed and staging your misinformed opinion anyway nt kcr Apr 2021 #290
Watching videos is traumatic AZProgressive Apr 2021 #347
ditto nt barbtries Apr 2021 #77
Atticus, let me be the first to criticize you . . . . . for not posting this earlier. I agree. Hoyt Apr 2021 #9
The kid did what he was told to do and still was killed, what else could he have done? All the uponit7771 Apr 2021 #12
I'm not sure. In video, he had what sure looks like a pistol at 2:38:39 and didn't at 2:38:40. Hoyt Apr 2021 #23
All pre-actions to the shooting don't justify an execution. This was hands down a bad ... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #31
I'm sorry. At 2:38:39 he had a gun. At 2:38:40 his hands are up. Shot seems to be at 2:38:40 too. Hoyt Apr 2021 #43
The cop didn't follow training and a kid died, that's what's up. All else is bullshit execuses uponit7771 Apr 2021 #61
No, BS here is trying to equate this incident with George Floyd and similar incidents with UNARMED Hoyt Apr 2021 #63
"I am definitely biased in that if someone is carrying a gun -- don't care if it's a trump loving WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #257
There is a big difference in this case, Whiskey. Sorry you can't see it, or admit it. Hoyt Apr 2021 #288
Walk me through it. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #292
Sorry, but the kid did NOT do "what he was told to do". He was ordered to stop---four times---and Atticus Apr 2021 #34
Again, "all preactions to the shooting do not justify execution" ... I don't know why people are uponit7771 Apr 2021 #38
From what I've seen, I think the bullet was on the way at same time he raised his hands -- 2:38:40. Hoyt Apr 2021 #47
True, the LEO should not have called for the hands of someone he thought had a gun ... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #56
Your very use of the word "execution" displays the predetermination that you seek to justify. nt Atticus Apr 2021 #48
Peoples deflection of the question via diction shows me where their thinking ISN'T uponit7771 Apr 2021 #57
I respect your opinion, but just like mine, it isn't a fact. Atticus Apr 2021 #73
The link to CPD use of force procedures ***IS*** fact thought, come on man. The majority of uponit7771 Apr 2021 #117
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Even in a sweeping motion it would have taken half of a second to throw the gun njhoneybadger Apr 2021 #112
Why order someone to put his hands in the air if you're going to shoot him when he does? StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #11
+1, have you tried to OP this question? There's no one who wants to address it? The cop ... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #18
Frankly StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #25
We need people who are informed, it can be frustrating on issues but not all of them. You add uponit7771 Apr 2021 #27
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In this video the officer appears to fire at 2:38:40 not even a second after the teenager turned. Hoyt Apr 2021 #28
1. LEO got close, 2. Didn't order armed perp on the ground, 3. Asked for hands without knowning uponit7771 Apr 2021 #36
The fact that he shot him that fast doesn't mean he didn't have time to think StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #39
Don't think so, StarfishSaver. Go out and sprint 30 yards in the dark with a strobe light and tell Hoyt Apr 2021 #54
The cops ***TRAINING*** says if the perp is suspected to be armed do 1, 2 and 3 ... and one of them uponit7771 Apr 2021 #58
Do what/ A policeman running after an armed person who may have fired the gun a little earlier, Hoyt Apr 2021 #62
Yep, then if not followed get busy ... bout that simple. LOL ... I used to play college football... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #71
I'll trust Mayor Lightfoot, the DA, and a jury, if needed, to sort this out. Oh, the facts are Hoyt Apr 2021 #81
We'll see, this leo didn't follow training and a kid died. If training in CPD is to close up on a... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #84
Classroom training, or simulation, is almost meaningless in this situation. Hoyt Apr 2021 #94
Former Washington DC and Philly Police Chief/Commissioner and CNN expert says "Reasonable." Not cool Hoyt Apr 2021 #101
This is false on its face, LEOs are trained for these situations. I think that's where people are... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #108
I'm so sorry, they forgot to add dark alley at night while perp has a gun. 58Sunliner Apr 2021 #196
You keep repeating that the cop "did not follow the rules" or police procedures and protocols Atticus Apr 2021 #87
Main Use of Force Policy (G03-02) .. part 7. It aint rocket science and (link) is just a summary uponit7771 Apr 2021 #97
"he complied with the order but too late" StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #64
I'm tired of hearing how training is supposed to be scripted out in 1.8 seconds in an ARMED Hoyt Apr 2021 #75
This is isn't a training problem StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #83
THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 uponit7771 Apr 2021 #99
I agree. However, I don't think this case is necessarily part of that. Every time a white policeman Hoyt Apr 2021 #123
I'd agree with you if whites who run with guns were as likely to be shot as blacks running with guns StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #154
Tell it to Charles Ramsey on CNN. Doubt he'll miss the elephant like Hoyt Apr 2021 #164
Charles Ramsey agrees with you but he's not the only authority on this matter StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #182
So, until "whites who run with guns" are "as likely to be shot as blacks who run with guns", Atticus Apr 2021 #267
Until Black people are treated the same way as white people are StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #279
I DO understand and agree with much of your anguish. Do I fully feel it? No, I am a white man. Atticus Apr 2021 #280
There's a difference between saying "whatever you say" StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #284
I agree with your points, there is systemic racism against black people in our society. Bluepinky Apr 2021 #294
Too many white people are willing to admit that systemic racism exists StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #300
I had heard that the police responded because shots were fired Bluepinky Apr 2021 #351
+100 CaptainTruth Apr 2021 #138
The kid had a gun, he was a threat. 58Sunliner Apr 2021 #199
Bullshit StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #202
He threw the gun down less than a sec. before he turned. Say bullshit all you like. 58Sunliner Apr 2021 #206
This young man did not just "have a gun". He had fired it at people and had kept it and fled after Atticus Apr 2021 #270
If that's the case, why didn't the cop just shoot him right then? StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #281
I guess we are done. Your post mentioning "deaf child" is the first reference like that I have seen Atticus Apr 2021 #285
Really ?! So lack of training is why non-whites get killed at a disproportionate rate? REALLY ?! uponit7771 Apr 2021 #102
Didn't say that, didn't even come close. Read it again. Maybe you ought to take Hoyt Apr 2021 #151
My question wasn't rhetorical seeing you did include training as a solution IINM uponit7771 Apr 2021 #161
7771, you have posted at least 5 times that the policeman didn't follow training. Hoyt Apr 2021 #169
Plus 1 fucking million. Sick of this shit Arazi Apr 2021 #80
Are you even aware that characterizing this situation as a "trigger happy cop" shooting a black Atticus Apr 2021 #128
I didn't say he shot him because he didn't comply fast enough. The poster I was responding to did. StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #160
ok, ... I'm almost with you in sentiment. This is tiring, the cop doesn't follow training and a kid uponit7771 Apr 2021 #165
It's interesting and frustrating that people keep arguing that the cop may have "made a mistake" StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #184
+1, last summer lost the benefit of the doubt for cops for me. LEOs in some PDs are so racist that uponit7771 Apr 2021 #190
Many white people see the police for exactly what they are and why they're there StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #193
LOL!! 58Sunliner Apr 2021 #203
Not the least bit surprised you think that's funny StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #205
What is funny is your understanding of history and the formation of the police. 58Sunliner Apr 2021 #212
I didn't say all white people feel that way. If I wasn't referring to you, I wasn't referring to you StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #214
"So why get all worked up about my comment?" 58Sunliner Apr 2021 #215
Sorry, some how I posted twice. Hoyt Apr 2021 #55
I won't use the word excuse. The cop shouldn't have shot him Tom Rinaldo Apr 2021 #348
If he had hesitated, he would likely have been shot for not complying fast enough StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #349
That's possible. Maybe it's likely, I can't say Tom Rinaldo Apr 2021 #350
Docilely and congenially I just want to point out that ascribing objections to this shooting to: dawg day Apr 2021 #15
Agree 100% Karma13612 Apr 2021 #92
Agreed. And well written. WarGamer Apr 2021 #21
No criticism from here. catsudon Apr 2021 #24
What I keep thinking of is before body cams Mr.Bill Apr 2021 #26
The cops still lie, even with the body cams. StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #32
No criticism from here. Sneederbunk Apr 2021 #29
13 years old. Hands up. No, not gonna justify this. TDale313 Apr 2021 #35
+1, uponit7771 Apr 2021 #51
No criticism here at all SheltieLover Apr 2021 #37
What he did with the gun before he out up his hands is irrelevant StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #44
My statement is not intended to say that the killing of Black people is OK! SheltieLover Apr 2021 #66
You can't even watch the fucking video but want to opine? Jfc Arazi Apr 2021 #95
Yes SheltieLover Apr 2021 #114
You're speaking from ignorance. Watch the video. His hands are up, no weapon Arazi Apr 2021 #126
I have no desire to watch the video. SheltieLover Apr 2021 #132
His hands are up. He's complying yet here you are Arazi Apr 2021 #147
I've read accounts. SheltieLover Apr 2021 #158
Post removed Post removed Apr 2021 #163
That's your opinion. SheltieLover Apr 2021 #168
You haven't even watched the evidence Arazi Apr 2021 #170
Again, your opiniin. SheltieLover Apr 2021 #174
The kid has his hands in the air, they were empty Karma13612 Apr 2021 #119
Right, after shooting at passing vehicles SheltieLover Apr 2021 #129
Yes because I'm not a racist psychopath Arazi Apr 2021 #145
Atticus---No criticism from me. I have been thinking the same thing. skylucy Apr 2021 #41
I agree with what you. Maru Kitteh Apr 2021 #46
Totally agree. nt Raine Apr 2021 #49
You'll get no criticism from me. llmart Apr 2021 #50
This argument has been going on for days on DU. madaboutharry Apr 2021 #52
Like the cop in Minnesota the CPD cop didn't follow training, when that happens and a person is uponit7771 Apr 2021 #59
I always have to wonder why cops who are about to be shot - make no attempt to take cover. Runningdawg Apr 2021 #53
Exactly! Only explanation is the cop knew he was going to shoot him as soon as the time was ripe. rgbecker Apr 2021 #86
He could have dropped the gun while he was running. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2021 #133
+1, this one didn't follow well laid out rule of engagement and training period. This was a bad ... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #130
Agreed. Haggard Celine Apr 2021 #60
Wrong, he never leveled the weapon or attempted to level the weapon. Jon King Apr 2021 #68
Thank you StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #72
I have seen police training experts from Philly, NY, and several small towns say same thing. Jon King Apr 2021 #82
For Washington DC and Philly Police Chief/Commissioner and CNN expert says differently. Hoyt Apr 2021 #90
+1, There are so many other use of force tactics the LEO could've taken before even approaching uponit7771 Apr 2021 #166
I agree with you, Atticus. Nt Trueblue Texan Apr 2021 #69
Sorry, you folks do not understand police training. Jon King Apr 2021 #76
THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾, I've been trying to make this point that this was a bad shooting for ever ... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #135
the suspect's 'hands' were cradling a gun stopdiggin Apr 2021 #173
agree... Trueblue Texan Apr 2021 #235
Charles Ramsey understands police training. Treefrog Apr 2021 #289
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Hard to take a post seriously MoonlitKnight Apr 2021 #88
It is not that I don't care what others think. It is just that knowing many will disagree with me Atticus Apr 2021 #109
The Child clearly slowed down and stopped running. Mary in S. Carolina Apr 2021 #89
I see your point JohnnyRingo Apr 2021 #93
The parents didn't report their 13 year-old missing for two days. ancianita Apr 2021 #100
What is your Point Mary in S. Carolina Apr 2021 #106
That is context only. Regardless of context, here's My POINT: ancianita Apr 2021 #120
Amen! Mary in S. Carolina Apr 2021 #152
+1, uponit7771 Apr 2021 #176
Beautifully said StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #187
You do know that Toledo was not a black kid, right? Treefrog Apr 2021 #239
Doesn't matter when it comes to kids, though, does it. Doesn't matter. ancianita Apr 2021 #272
Thank you for this. 32 DUers plus you. Really. Thank you Arazi Apr 2021 #103
I'm not quite following your comment. Karma13612 Apr 2021 #116
Good luck getting an answer. Treefrog Apr 2021 #298
Former Washington DC and Philly Police Chief/Commissioner and CNN expert says "Reasonable." Not cool Hoyt Apr 2021 #104
Nope. Karma13612 Apr 2021 #107
I agree with some of that rockfordfile Apr 2021 #121
Agreed. hamsterjill Apr 2021 #122
A shot to the chest was an intentional kill shot dlk Apr 2021 #124
I agree Maine Abu El Banat Apr 2021 #125
Yup, you are correct. You are speaking your mind. And I will speak mine Ferrets are Cool Apr 2021 #127
That is, perhaps, the most honest and respectful disagreement voiced in the entire thread. Atticus Apr 2021 #140
+1 Ferrets are Cool Apr 2021 #143
+1, CPD use of force 2017 section 7 outlines what LEOs are supposed to do and one of them ... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #149
I agree with you completely. This is kacekwl Apr 2021 #131
Aghast to read this apologia for out-of-control police here at DU. Word fail me. I feel sick. n/t KatK Apr 2021 #142
+1 million Arazi Apr 2021 #150
I am not seeing any one being an apologist. madaboutharry Apr 2021 #155
plenty who abhor out of control police stopdiggin Apr 2021 #219
I don't know if the cop was a racist StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #226
I have no argument with almost all stopdiggin Apr 2021 #231
Insisting the child "shares the blame" is the same as suggesting his behavior warranted the result. StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #234
we agree on much stopdiggin Apr 2021 #245
On the DU homepage you see posts by people you have on ignore. johnp3907 Apr 2021 #148
Uh, I have never put anyone on ignore. Don't believe in it. nt Atticus Apr 2021 #153
Though it is not what you SAID, if you MEANT that you had put me on Atticus Apr 2021 #159
I also still see threads I trashed on the homepage AZProgressive Apr 2021 #209
I agree with your conclusions. flying rabbit Apr 2021 #172
Atticus, Atticus, Atticus.... SergeStorms Apr 2021 #175
Thank you. nt Atticus Apr 2021 #179
Agreed SheltieLover Apr 2021 #201
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I agree with you. It's awful, and I hate that it happened. 58Sunliner Apr 2021 #178
I think you are right demtenjeep Apr 2021 #180
people it doesn't have to be. Murdering someone in slow motion for 9 mins shouldn't be the only uponit7771 Apr 2021 #185
Yours is an honest account of what happened here greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #188
Was that info about them shooting at passing cars in any news reports? I didn't come across that. ancianita Apr 2021 #204
Better video here. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2021 #208
Thanks! I'll check it out. ancianita Apr 2021 #216
The video says it all...It's interesting that people keep representing this as shooting at cars greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #238
It is better video, but it just makes me want to throw up for kid, parents, neighbors, EMTs, police, Hoyt Apr 2021 #223
So he DID drop the gun "as ordered" but did so in a way. .. Beartracks Apr 2021 #189
Seriously? StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #198
I speak my mind as well Sunsky Apr 2021 #194
Whole lot of armchair experts here. Woodwizard Apr 2021 #195
I am not getting involved with this discussion nt doc03 Apr 2021 #197
"All cops are bad and are always wrong." jcgoldie Apr 2021 #210
Do I THINK some here have that agenda? Have you read this thread? nt Atticus Apr 2021 #256
yes. I have. jcgoldie Apr 2021 #273
When you criticize me for saying something I did not say---that kinda says it all. nt Atticus Apr 2021 #274
Here is what you said which it appears you have no interest in defending based on this exchange: jcgoldie Apr 2021 #277
Clearly, that was not aimed at "all" who disagree with me plus the word "possibly" does Atticus Apr 2021 #282
Couldn't agree more. Phoenix61 Apr 2021 #211
Agree. nt live love laugh Apr 2021 #220
But, at my age.. stillspkg Apr 2021 #225
Agreed. BlueTsunami2018 Apr 2021 #236
Atticus, in reality it's not up to us to make any conclusions on-line in cases like this. KY_EnviroGuy Apr 2021 #240
No personal criticism of the OP here but as for the "cop"?? MillenialDemLXXXIII Apr 2021 #241
Everybody knows what you're doing greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #244
Amusing though. Treefrog Apr 2021 #259
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Kevlar isn't bulletproof, and only protects the torso, and not against every type of bullet. Decoy of Fenris Apr 2021 #249
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I don't know the answer to most of those questions. Do you? Decoy of Fenris Apr 2021 #254
With a brick? betsuni Apr 2021 #264
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As you should have known when you posted your questions. As a courtesy, I will delete Atticus Apr 2021 #341
Thank you. DiamondShark Apr 2021 #342
I'd like to see you take your chances with a Kevlar vest. Renew Deal Apr 2021 #265
You have got to be kidding. LisaL Apr 2021 #268
Solution to many cop killings: remove their fear Duppers Apr 2021 #243
Alt Headline: Active shooter killed after firing at motorists. Decoy of Fenris Apr 2021 #250
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You did indeed draw very intense personal ctiticism Martin Eden Apr 2021 #255
Let's start with the fact too many people are shot CrackityJones75 Apr 2021 #260
The cop will not be charged and if he is he will not be convicted. Renew Deal Apr 2021 #263
Why should he be charged or convicted? LisaL Apr 2021 #269
That's why he won't be charged. Renew Deal Apr 2021 #271
You could say the same thing about 13-year-old Adam StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #291
Running around with a gun at night and allegedly shooting at cars LisaL Apr 2021 #295
Apparently it's also not safe to comply with police orders, either. StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #301
He was running away from the cop, and he had a gun in his hand. LisaL Apr 2021 #302
It is illegal to shoot someone for running away. StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #305
Not really illegal, as far as I can tell, cops can shoot a running felon. LisaL Apr 2021 #306
You're wrong. The Supreme Court has ruled it illegal to use deadly force against a fleeing suspect StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #309
I don't think that cop wanted to shoot him. LisaL Apr 2021 #310
But he did shoot him, whether he wanted to or not. And he needs to face the consequences. StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #312
And IMMEDIATELY calling for the ambulance and starting CPR. I don't believe he wanted mucifer Apr 2021 #293
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How is it a " legitimate shot" if he was shot with his empty hands in the air as he was ordered? StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #303
The hand wasn't empty when he turned as far as I can tell. LisaL Apr 2021 #304
His hand WAS empty when he put up his hands StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #307
There appears to be a gun in it less than a second before that. LisaL Apr 2021 #308
So what StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #311
As far as I can tell, the gun was in his hand as he put them up. LisaL Apr 2021 #313
"as far as you can tell" StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #314
Not sure WTF you expect me to say if you don't like "as far as I can tell." LisaL Apr 2021 #315
So, you think the cop's order to put his hands on the air StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #316
Uh. Huh. uppityperson Apr 2021 #331
I agree with you Atticus. Did the cop know he was a 13 year old kid? In an instance like this ratchiweenie Apr 2021 #299
THANK YOU for this!!! LAS14 Apr 2021 #317
I agree with you. It's come to the point where a cop has to be shot before he or she fires a shot Vinca Apr 2021 #320
Happened less than 20 seconds after the officer got out of his car. A witness claims to have seen DiamondShark Apr 2021 #333
---"the video shows that it ( the gun ) was not in the boy's hands"??? Video clearly showing Atticus Apr 2021 #344
You should post on the linked articles and ask the journalist. DiamondShark Apr 2021 #346
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The kid made some bad life choices BannonsLiver Apr 2021 #334
A rather self-validating, if irrelevant method to qualify an opinion... LanternWaste Apr 2021 #343
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