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jcgoldie

(11,582 posts)
273. yes. I have.
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 08:53 AM
Apr 2021

I see a lot of debate of the incident and contrasting opinions which is to be expected in such a tragic event and controversial issue. And I see you in the op trying to devalue the opinions of the many who disagree with you by painting that broad statement that those who feel the killing is unjustified are following some wicked progressive agenda to vilify all police. Thats the sort of argument one would expect in conservative spheres at this time.

***BULLFUCKIN SHIT!!!*** The kid did what he was told to do, why did he get shot anyway? uponit7771 Apr 2021 #1
"THE cop literally had a "split second" to make the decision" WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #2
He sure had time to aim, though, didn't he? Mr.Bill Apr 2021 #3
That's nonsense. At that range and in that time frame, the pistol was pointed, not aimed. It was Atticus Apr 2021 #13
It was aimed well enough for one shot to kill almost instantly. Mr.Bill Apr 2021 #16
They're not trained to point. TwilightZone Apr 2021 #42
Aiming a pistol involves lining up the blade front sight with the notch in the rear sight and the Atticus Apr 2021 #70
Training and practice. TwilightZone Apr 2021 #45
+1 JoeOtterbein Apr 2021 #105
It all happened so fast its hard to put it all on the cop. rickyhall Apr 2021 #4
No, this is why the cops follow dept rules and common sense. like don't get close to someone uponit7771 Apr 2021 #8
You're right, the cop should have slowed things down. He had the car for cover, the kid had none. rickyhall Apr 2021 #14
They were both running down the alley questionseverything Apr 2021 #67
Then the LEO should have use 1. Time as a tactic, 2. Distance, 3. warning, basically what it uponit7771 Apr 2021 #113
As someone who lives in the middle of my lil city questionseverything Apr 2021 #137
"The idea of giving an armed jerk, time and distance at 3am is terrifying" Then don't be a cop !!! uponit7771 Apr 2021 #144
I don't want the cop giving armed criminals questionseverything Apr 2021 #156
The kid stopped, the training after that takes over ... period. uponit7771 Apr 2021 #157
It's illegal to shoot a fleeing suspect StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #162
It was illegal to shoot at the cars too questionseverything Apr 2021 #181
You're putting the kid and the cop on the same level? StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #191
"A trained cop shoots a 13-year-old kid who just surrendered according to his orders..." sop Apr 2021 #227
Exactly StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #228
It seems stopping, dropping the gun, turning around and surrendering is a capital offense now. sop Apr 2021 #232
Your post just above is disigenuous---at best---because it ignores the FACT that the Atticus Apr 2021 #278
There is a difference between a risk and a threat. sop Apr 2021 #296
Your description of what happened is, at best, disingenuous. nt Atticus Apr 2021 #258
What special insight do you have that the rest of us do not? sop Apr 2021 #276
No criticism from here. Disaffected Apr 2021 #5
Please. sheshe2 Apr 2021 #65
THis has been discussed at length Disaffected Apr 2021 #96
Sorry I have not been on all those threads that it has been discussed. sheshe2 Apr 2021 #115
He wouldn't have a stun gun to face an armed suspect. 58Sunliner Apr 2021 #186
The person I responded to brought up the Wright killing not Toledos. sheshe2 Apr 2021 #217
They always end up the same way StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #224
Exactly what the defense is saying about George Floyd. sheshe2 Apr 2021 #229
You know, at first I thought "hey she was probably a rookie" Bettie Apr 2021 #286
Both statements in your last sentence are correct. CrispyQ Apr 2021 #323
But Adam Toledo did as ordered, and still he died. Sucha NastyWoman Apr 2021 #6
+1, people are avoiding this one question. It's because the LEO didn't follow rules here ... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #10
Can you cite some authority for what seems like a rule requiring cops to be cowards--- i.e., Atticus Apr 2021 #19
Cowards? More like common sense. wnylib Apr 2021 #78
Common sense and training, you're wrong here. The cop didn't follow training and a kid died ... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #85
In other words, you have nothing to support what you are saying. It is just what you think. Atticus Apr 2021 #91
Link inside uponit7771 Apr 2021 #110
Linked it down thread already uponit7771 Apr 2021 #221
I watched the same videos you did EndlessWire Apr 2021 #213
Or third and best option, waited a second longer to see if there's compliance Arazi Apr 2021 #230
The white cop gets the benefit of the doubt StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #233
I'd call it intelligence, common sense, & self-preservation. CaptainTruth Apr 2021 #111
+1, CPD use of force talks about distance (link inside) uponit7771 Apr 2021 #118
Waiting. nt Atticus Apr 2021 #79
Linked down thread a couple of times uponit7771 Apr 2021 #136
Ha-ha! nt Atticus Apr 2021 #141
... really ?! I post CPD use of force and you laugh?! ... sigh, whatever. uponit7771 Apr 2021 #146
You posted a SUMMARY which briefly describes what is covered by the Atticus Apr 2021 #167
omfg, section 7 of the summary doesn't back up the leos actions. uponit7771 Apr 2021 #171
That is not the point, is it? The point is, does section seven back up YOUR numerous Atticus Apr 2021 #177
Yes, the leo didn't follow the UOF rules ... you can read them yourself but the summary uponit7771 Apr 2021 #183
And, still, the fact remains that you have failed or refused to respond with a source which Atticus Apr 2021 #261
This is false, everyone can read man uponit7771 Apr 2021 #283
Indeed, but you don't seem to think that proves my point. We are done. nt Atticus Apr 2021 #287
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14 shell34555 Apr 2021 #134
RIGHT ?!!? I'd bet over 90% of unarmed shooting is because LEO didn't follow rules, training etc uponit7771 Apr 2021 #139
Don't be out at 2AM on a school night shooting at passing cars with a gun? MichMan Apr 2021 #17
None of the kids pre-action justifies execution, people have a hard time answering this question... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #20
People make mistakes StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #30
+1, yep ... cops gets benefit of the doubt kid does not uponit7771 Apr 2021 #40
You ignored the shooting at people part but otherwise yes sound alright to me Devil Child Apr 2021 #322
If a cop hadn't pulled the trigger after telling him to put his hands up, he'd still be alive StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #325
'Lil homicide was his gang nickname and how some of his peers addressed him in their eulogies Devil Child Apr 2021 #329
It's not "fitting" at all. StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #330
Cruel, petty, and obnoxious is quite fitting for a deceased member of a criminal gang. Devil Child Apr 2021 #332
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Don't shoot at cars EndlessWire Apr 2021 #192
Don't shoot children who stop running and put up their hands just like you told them to StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #200
It wasn't like that. EndlessWire Apr 2021 #218
The cop told him to put up his hands StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #222
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I'm pretty sure my parents never even had to tell me not to run around on the streets at 2 am. Treefrog Apr 2021 #237
Actually, in the video, he looked pretty white to me. nt LAS14 Apr 2021 #318
Whether he threw the gun somewhere or dropped it his hands were still up AZProgressive Apr 2021 #7
This is the type of response I expected. nt Atticus Apr 2021 #22
My criticism wasn't that intense AZProgressive Apr 2021 #33
Yes, looking the other way is less messy than being informed and staging your opinion. nt Atticus Apr 2021 #262
More like being informed and staging your misinformed opinion anyway nt kcr Apr 2021 #290
Watching videos is traumatic AZProgressive Apr 2021 #347
ditto nt barbtries Apr 2021 #77
Atticus, let me be the first to criticize you . . . . . for not posting this earlier. I agree. Hoyt Apr 2021 #9
The kid did what he was told to do and still was killed, what else could he have done? All the uponit7771 Apr 2021 #12
I'm not sure. In video, he had what sure looks like a pistol at 2:38:39 and didn't at 2:38:40. Hoyt Apr 2021 #23
All pre-actions to the shooting don't justify an execution. This was hands down a bad ... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #31
I'm sorry. At 2:38:39 he had a gun. At 2:38:40 his hands are up. Shot seems to be at 2:38:40 too. Hoyt Apr 2021 #43
The cop didn't follow training and a kid died, that's what's up. All else is bullshit execuses uponit7771 Apr 2021 #61
No, BS here is trying to equate this incident with George Floyd and similar incidents with UNARMED Hoyt Apr 2021 #63
"I am definitely biased in that if someone is carrying a gun -- don't care if it's a trump loving WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #257
There is a big difference in this case, Whiskey. Sorry you can't see it, or admit it. Hoyt Apr 2021 #288
Walk me through it. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #292
Sorry, but the kid did NOT do "what he was told to do". He was ordered to stop---four times---and Atticus Apr 2021 #34
Again, "all preactions to the shooting do not justify execution" ... I don't know why people are uponit7771 Apr 2021 #38
From what I've seen, I think the bullet was on the way at same time he raised his hands -- 2:38:40. Hoyt Apr 2021 #47
True, the LEO should not have called for the hands of someone he thought had a gun ... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #56
Your very use of the word "execution" displays the predetermination that you seek to justify. nt Atticus Apr 2021 #48
Peoples deflection of the question via diction shows me where their thinking ISN'T uponit7771 Apr 2021 #57
I respect your opinion, but just like mine, it isn't a fact. Atticus Apr 2021 #73
The link to CPD use of force procedures ***IS*** fact thought, come on man. The majority of uponit7771 Apr 2021 #117
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Even in a sweeping motion it would have taken half of a second to throw the gun njhoneybadger Apr 2021 #112
Why order someone to put his hands in the air if you're going to shoot him when he does? StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #11
+1, have you tried to OP this question? There's no one who wants to address it? The cop ... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #18
Frankly StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #25
We need people who are informed, it can be frustrating on issues but not all of them. You add uponit7771 Apr 2021 #27
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In this video the officer appears to fire at 2:38:40 not even a second after the teenager turned. Hoyt Apr 2021 #28
1. LEO got close, 2. Didn't order armed perp on the ground, 3. Asked for hands without knowning uponit7771 Apr 2021 #36
The fact that he shot him that fast doesn't mean he didn't have time to think StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #39
Don't think so, StarfishSaver. Go out and sprint 30 yards in the dark with a strobe light and tell Hoyt Apr 2021 #54
The cops ***TRAINING*** says if the perp is suspected to be armed do 1, 2 and 3 ... and one of them uponit7771 Apr 2021 #58
Do what/ A policeman running after an armed person who may have fired the gun a little earlier, Hoyt Apr 2021 #62
Yep, then if not followed get busy ... bout that simple. LOL ... I used to play college football... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #71
I'll trust Mayor Lightfoot, the DA, and a jury, if needed, to sort this out. Oh, the facts are Hoyt Apr 2021 #81
We'll see, this leo didn't follow training and a kid died. If training in CPD is to close up on a... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #84
Classroom training, or simulation, is almost meaningless in this situation. Hoyt Apr 2021 #94
Former Washington DC and Philly Police Chief/Commissioner and CNN expert says "Reasonable." Not cool Hoyt Apr 2021 #101
This is false on its face, LEOs are trained for these situations. I think that's where people are... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #108
I'm so sorry, they forgot to add dark alley at night while perp has a gun. 58Sunliner Apr 2021 #196
You keep repeating that the cop "did not follow the rules" or police procedures and protocols Atticus Apr 2021 #87
Main Use of Force Policy (G03-02) .. part 7. It aint rocket science and (link) is just a summary uponit7771 Apr 2021 #97
"he complied with the order but too late" StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #64
I'm tired of hearing how training is supposed to be scripted out in 1.8 seconds in an ARMED Hoyt Apr 2021 #75
This is isn't a training problem StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #83
THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 uponit7771 Apr 2021 #99
I agree. However, I don't think this case is necessarily part of that. Every time a white policeman Hoyt Apr 2021 #123
I'd agree with you if whites who run with guns were as likely to be shot as blacks running with guns StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #154
Tell it to Charles Ramsey on CNN. Doubt he'll miss the elephant like Hoyt Apr 2021 #164
Charles Ramsey agrees with you but he's not the only authority on this matter StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #182
So, until "whites who run with guns" are "as likely to be shot as blacks who run with guns", Atticus Apr 2021 #267
Until Black people are treated the same way as white people are StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #279
I DO understand and agree with much of your anguish. Do I fully feel it? No, I am a white man. Atticus Apr 2021 #280
There's a difference between saying "whatever you say" StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #284
I agree with your points, there is systemic racism against black people in our society. Bluepinky Apr 2021 #294
Too many white people are willing to admit that systemic racism exists StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #300
I had heard that the police responded because shots were fired Bluepinky Apr 2021 #351
+100 CaptainTruth Apr 2021 #138
The kid had a gun, he was a threat. 58Sunliner Apr 2021 #199
Bullshit StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #202
He threw the gun down less than a sec. before he turned. Say bullshit all you like. 58Sunliner Apr 2021 #206
This young man did not just "have a gun". He had fired it at people and had kept it and fled after Atticus Apr 2021 #270
If that's the case, why didn't the cop just shoot him right then? StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #281
I guess we are done. Your post mentioning "deaf child" is the first reference like that I have seen Atticus Apr 2021 #285
Really ?! So lack of training is why non-whites get killed at a disproportionate rate? REALLY ?! uponit7771 Apr 2021 #102
Didn't say that, didn't even come close. Read it again. Maybe you ought to take Hoyt Apr 2021 #151
My question wasn't rhetorical seeing you did include training as a solution IINM uponit7771 Apr 2021 #161
7771, you have posted at least 5 times that the policeman didn't follow training. Hoyt Apr 2021 #169
Plus 1 fucking million. Sick of this shit Arazi Apr 2021 #80
Are you even aware that characterizing this situation as a "trigger happy cop" shooting a black Atticus Apr 2021 #128
I didn't say he shot him because he didn't comply fast enough. The poster I was responding to did. StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #160
ok, ... I'm almost with you in sentiment. This is tiring, the cop doesn't follow training and a kid uponit7771 Apr 2021 #165
It's interesting and frustrating that people keep arguing that the cop may have "made a mistake" StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #184
+1, last summer lost the benefit of the doubt for cops for me. LEOs in some PDs are so racist that uponit7771 Apr 2021 #190
Many white people see the police for exactly what they are and why they're there StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #193
LOL!! 58Sunliner Apr 2021 #203
Not the least bit surprised you think that's funny StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #205
What is funny is your understanding of history and the formation of the police. 58Sunliner Apr 2021 #212
I didn't say all white people feel that way. If I wasn't referring to you, I wasn't referring to you StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #214
"So why get all worked up about my comment?" 58Sunliner Apr 2021 #215
Sorry, some how I posted twice. Hoyt Apr 2021 #55
I won't use the word excuse. The cop shouldn't have shot him Tom Rinaldo Apr 2021 #348
If he had hesitated, he would likely have been shot for not complying fast enough StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #349
That's possible. Maybe it's likely, I can't say Tom Rinaldo Apr 2021 #350
Docilely and congenially I just want to point out that ascribing objections to this shooting to: dawg day Apr 2021 #15
Agree 100% Karma13612 Apr 2021 #92
Agreed. And well written. WarGamer Apr 2021 #21
No criticism from here. catsudon Apr 2021 #24
What I keep thinking of is before body cams Mr.Bill Apr 2021 #26
The cops still lie, even with the body cams. StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #32
No criticism from here. Sneederbunk Apr 2021 #29
13 years old. Hands up. No, not gonna justify this. TDale313 Apr 2021 #35
+1, uponit7771 Apr 2021 #51
No criticism here at all SheltieLover Apr 2021 #37
What he did with the gun before he out up his hands is irrelevant StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #44
My statement is not intended to say that the killing of Black people is OK! SheltieLover Apr 2021 #66
You can't even watch the fucking video but want to opine? Jfc Arazi Apr 2021 #95
Yes SheltieLover Apr 2021 #114
You're speaking from ignorance. Watch the video. His hands are up, no weapon Arazi Apr 2021 #126
I have no desire to watch the video. SheltieLover Apr 2021 #132
His hands are up. He's complying yet here you are Arazi Apr 2021 #147
I've read accounts. SheltieLover Apr 2021 #158
Post removed Post removed Apr 2021 #163
That's your opinion. SheltieLover Apr 2021 #168
You haven't even watched the evidence Arazi Apr 2021 #170
Again, your opiniin. SheltieLover Apr 2021 #174
The kid has his hands in the air, they were empty Karma13612 Apr 2021 #119
Right, after shooting at passing vehicles SheltieLover Apr 2021 #129
Yes because I'm not a racist psychopath Arazi Apr 2021 #145
Atticus---No criticism from me. I have been thinking the same thing. skylucy Apr 2021 #41
I agree with what you. Maru Kitteh Apr 2021 #46
Totally agree. nt Raine Apr 2021 #49
You'll get no criticism from me. llmart Apr 2021 #50
This argument has been going on for days on DU. madaboutharry Apr 2021 #52
Like the cop in Minnesota the CPD cop didn't follow training, when that happens and a person is uponit7771 Apr 2021 #59
I always have to wonder why cops who are about to be shot - make no attempt to take cover. Runningdawg Apr 2021 #53
Exactly! Only explanation is the cop knew he was going to shoot him as soon as the time was ripe. rgbecker Apr 2021 #86
He could have dropped the gun while he was running. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2021 #133
+1, this one didn't follow well laid out rule of engagement and training period. This was a bad ... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #130
Agreed. Haggard Celine Apr 2021 #60
Wrong, he never leveled the weapon or attempted to level the weapon. Jon King Apr 2021 #68
Thank you StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #72
I have seen police training experts from Philly, NY, and several small towns say same thing. Jon King Apr 2021 #82
For Washington DC and Philly Police Chief/Commissioner and CNN expert says differently. Hoyt Apr 2021 #90
+1, There are so many other use of force tactics the LEO could've taken before even approaching uponit7771 Apr 2021 #166
I agree with you, Atticus. Nt Trueblue Texan Apr 2021 #69
Sorry, you folks do not understand police training. Jon King Apr 2021 #76
THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾, I've been trying to make this point that this was a bad shooting for ever ... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #135
the suspect's 'hands' were cradling a gun stopdiggin Apr 2021 #173
agree... Trueblue Texan Apr 2021 #235
Charles Ramsey understands police training. Treefrog Apr 2021 #289
Post removed Post removed Apr 2021 #74
Hard to take a post seriously MoonlitKnight Apr 2021 #88
It is not that I don't care what others think. It is just that knowing many will disagree with me Atticus Apr 2021 #109
The Child clearly slowed down and stopped running. Mary in S. Carolina Apr 2021 #89
I see your point JohnnyRingo Apr 2021 #93
The parents didn't report their 13 year-old missing for two days. ancianita Apr 2021 #100
What is your Point Mary in S. Carolina Apr 2021 #106
That is context only. Regardless of context, here's My POINT: ancianita Apr 2021 #120
Amen! Mary in S. Carolina Apr 2021 #152
+1, uponit7771 Apr 2021 #176
Beautifully said StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #187
You do know that Toledo was not a black kid, right? Treefrog Apr 2021 #239
Doesn't matter when it comes to kids, though, does it. Doesn't matter. ancianita Apr 2021 #272
Thank you for this. 32 DUers plus you. Really. Thank you Arazi Apr 2021 #103
I'm not quite following your comment. Karma13612 Apr 2021 #116
Good luck getting an answer. Treefrog Apr 2021 #298
Former Washington DC and Philly Police Chief/Commissioner and CNN expert says "Reasonable." Not cool Hoyt Apr 2021 #104
Nope. Karma13612 Apr 2021 #107
I agree with some of that rockfordfile Apr 2021 #121
Agreed. hamsterjill Apr 2021 #122
A shot to the chest was an intentional kill shot dlk Apr 2021 #124
I agree Maine Abu El Banat Apr 2021 #125
Yup, you are correct. You are speaking your mind. And I will speak mine Ferrets are Cool Apr 2021 #127
That is, perhaps, the most honest and respectful disagreement voiced in the entire thread. Atticus Apr 2021 #140
+1 Ferrets are Cool Apr 2021 #143
+1, CPD use of force 2017 section 7 outlines what LEOs are supposed to do and one of them ... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #149
I agree with you completely. This is kacekwl Apr 2021 #131
Aghast to read this apologia for out-of-control police here at DU. Word fail me. I feel sick. n/t KatK Apr 2021 #142
+1 million Arazi Apr 2021 #150
I am not seeing any one being an apologist. madaboutharry Apr 2021 #155
plenty who abhor out of control police stopdiggin Apr 2021 #219
I don't know if the cop was a racist StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #226
I have no argument with almost all stopdiggin Apr 2021 #231
Insisting the child "shares the blame" is the same as suggesting his behavior warranted the result. StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #234
we agree on much stopdiggin Apr 2021 #245
On the DU homepage you see posts by people you have on ignore. johnp3907 Apr 2021 #148
Uh, I have never put anyone on ignore. Don't believe in it. nt Atticus Apr 2021 #153
Though it is not what you SAID, if you MEANT that you had put me on Atticus Apr 2021 #159
I also still see threads I trashed on the homepage AZProgressive Apr 2021 #209
I agree with your conclusions. flying rabbit Apr 2021 #172
Atticus, Atticus, Atticus.... SergeStorms Apr 2021 #175
Thank you. nt Atticus Apr 2021 #179
Agreed SheltieLover Apr 2021 #201
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I agree with you. It's awful, and I hate that it happened. 58Sunliner Apr 2021 #178
I think you are right demtenjeep Apr 2021 #180
people it doesn't have to be. Murdering someone in slow motion for 9 mins shouldn't be the only uponit7771 Apr 2021 #185
Yours is an honest account of what happened here greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #188
Was that info about them shooting at passing cars in any news reports? I didn't come across that. ancianita Apr 2021 #204
Better video here. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2021 #208
Thanks! I'll check it out. ancianita Apr 2021 #216
The video says it all...It's interesting that people keep representing this as shooting at cars greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #238
It is better video, but it just makes me want to throw up for kid, parents, neighbors, EMTs, police, Hoyt Apr 2021 #223
So he DID drop the gun "as ordered" but did so in a way. .. Beartracks Apr 2021 #189
Seriously? StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #198
I speak my mind as well Sunsky Apr 2021 #194
Whole lot of armchair experts here. Woodwizard Apr 2021 #195
I am not getting involved with this discussion nt doc03 Apr 2021 #197
"All cops are bad and are always wrong." jcgoldie Apr 2021 #210
Do I THINK some here have that agenda? Have you read this thread? nt Atticus Apr 2021 #256
yes. I have. jcgoldie Apr 2021 #273
When you criticize me for saying something I did not say---that kinda says it all. nt Atticus Apr 2021 #274
Here is what you said which it appears you have no interest in defending based on this exchange: jcgoldie Apr 2021 #277
Clearly, that was not aimed at "all" who disagree with me plus the word "possibly" does Atticus Apr 2021 #282
Couldn't agree more. Phoenix61 Apr 2021 #211
Agree. nt live love laugh Apr 2021 #220
But, at my age.. stillspkg Apr 2021 #225
Agreed. BlueTsunami2018 Apr 2021 #236
Atticus, in reality it's not up to us to make any conclusions on-line in cases like this. KY_EnviroGuy Apr 2021 #240
No personal criticism of the OP here but as for the "cop"?? MillenialDemLXXXIII Apr 2021 #241
Everybody knows what you're doing greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #244
Amusing though. Treefrog Apr 2021 #259
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Kevlar isn't bulletproof, and only protects the torso, and not against every type of bullet. Decoy of Fenris Apr 2021 #249
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I don't know the answer to most of those questions. Do you? Decoy of Fenris Apr 2021 #254
With a brick? betsuni Apr 2021 #264
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As you should have known when you posted your questions. As a courtesy, I will delete Atticus Apr 2021 #341
Thank you. DiamondShark Apr 2021 #342
I'd like to see you take your chances with a Kevlar vest. Renew Deal Apr 2021 #265
You have got to be kidding. LisaL Apr 2021 #268
Solution to many cop killings: remove their fear Duppers Apr 2021 #243
Alt Headline: Active shooter killed after firing at motorists. Decoy of Fenris Apr 2021 #250
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You did indeed draw very intense personal ctiticism Martin Eden Apr 2021 #255
Let's start with the fact too many people are shot CrackityJones75 Apr 2021 #260
The cop will not be charged and if he is he will not be convicted. Renew Deal Apr 2021 #263
Why should he be charged or convicted? LisaL Apr 2021 #269
That's why he won't be charged. Renew Deal Apr 2021 #271
You could say the same thing about 13-year-old Adam StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #291
Running around with a gun at night and allegedly shooting at cars LisaL Apr 2021 #295
Apparently it's also not safe to comply with police orders, either. StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #301
He was running away from the cop, and he had a gun in his hand. LisaL Apr 2021 #302
It is illegal to shoot someone for running away. StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #305
Not really illegal, as far as I can tell, cops can shoot a running felon. LisaL Apr 2021 #306
You're wrong. The Supreme Court has ruled it illegal to use deadly force against a fleeing suspect StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #309
I don't think that cop wanted to shoot him. LisaL Apr 2021 #310
But he did shoot him, whether he wanted to or not. And he needs to face the consequences. StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #312
And IMMEDIATELY calling for the ambulance and starting CPR. I don't believe he wanted mucifer Apr 2021 #293
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How is it a " legitimate shot" if he was shot with his empty hands in the air as he was ordered? StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #303
The hand wasn't empty when he turned as far as I can tell. LisaL Apr 2021 #304
His hand WAS empty when he put up his hands StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #307
There appears to be a gun in it less than a second before that. LisaL Apr 2021 #308
So what StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #311
As far as I can tell, the gun was in his hand as he put them up. LisaL Apr 2021 #313
"as far as you can tell" StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #314
Not sure WTF you expect me to say if you don't like "as far as I can tell." LisaL Apr 2021 #315
So, you think the cop's order to put his hands on the air StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #316
Uh. Huh. uppityperson Apr 2021 #331
I agree with you Atticus. Did the cop know he was a 13 year old kid? In an instance like this ratchiweenie Apr 2021 #299
THANK YOU for this!!! LAS14 Apr 2021 #317
I agree with you. It's come to the point where a cop has to be shot before he or she fires a shot Vinca Apr 2021 #320
Happened less than 20 seconds after the officer got out of his car. A witness claims to have seen DiamondShark Apr 2021 #333
---"the video shows that it ( the gun ) was not in the boy's hands"??? Video clearly showing Atticus Apr 2021 #344
You should post on the linked articles and ask the journalist. DiamondShark Apr 2021 #346
This message was self-deleted by its author Atticus Apr 2021 #345
The kid made some bad life choices BannonsLiver Apr 2021 #334
A rather self-validating, if irrelevant method to qualify an opinion... LanternWaste Apr 2021 #343
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