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Hekate

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54. Just a few times. A bogus injury, a very serious injury, and a serial rapist...
Tue Apr 20, 2021, 12:52 AM
Apr 2021

Once the jury was impaneled so fast it made my head spin, & I think it was my question during the morning that caused the complainant to quit during lunch.

A young woman, a college student with no money, rolled into the rear bumper of a middle aged woman’s fancy car in a parking lot. The middle aged woman claimed pain (neck injury) and damages (to the car). I listened carefully, and as always, with a neutral face. There were big photos of the allegedly damaged car. There was something about the extent of the complaint that bothered me — it seemed disproportionate.

I asked: “Can you please hold up that picture so I can see it?” I frowned slightly, because I saw no evidence of damage. Not a smudge. So did everybody else. During the lunch break a fellow juror commented to me that he thought it was a bogus case, but I just rolled my eyes, mindful that we had been warned not to discuss anything.

Got back after lunch and boom! We were notified it was over as soon as we sat down.

Second one, years later, took us some days to hear all the evidence, and only one or two days to reach a verdict. A landlord was being sued by a tenant for severe burns she received from an improperly installed kitchen stove. It was Thanksgiving and she had a turkey in the oven and a tall pot of rapidly boiling water on the back of the stove. As she bent down over the open oven, the pot of water slid down and spilled across her back.

Fortunately the injured woman had a friend there who got her in the shower and sluiced her down with cold water before the ambulance came, but she still had significant hospital time and a couple of months of daily debridement at the Burn Unit, to which she could not drive herself.

So of course the landlord’s attorney brought in lots of technical evidence to show that it could never have happened like that. There were charts and photos. There were exacting measurements of the degree of tilt (such a teeny-tiny degree of tilt). There were testimonials about what a nice man the landlord was.

And indeed, he was not one of our notorious slumlords, of which we have a few. He was a self-made immigrant with calloused hands. At the time of this lawsuit he had purchased 3 houses on his block, some inhabited by family, some by tenants. He was accustomed to doing most if not all of the labor on his properties himself.

And therein lay the problem with the newly-installed stove. I don’t think he ever read the instructions — they were found in a package on the counter top. He figured he knew how to do this, he’d installed appliances before, and he did it.

But as I pointed out to my fellow jurors, there were at least 3 points at which he had failed to follow manufacturer’s instructions, not just the leveling issue. I said, I’m not an engineer or mechanic, but my dad worked for Lockheed Aircraft and every job he did around the home was as meticulous as I assumed his aircraft work was — electrical, plumbing, you name it. As for the leveling and the teeny-tiny degree of tilt — I turned to a man on the jury who was a home builder and again pointed out that while I didn’t have his expertise, isn’t there something important about that? And all of a sudden it was the home builder who got it, and who explained it, and by golly we all found for the injured woman.

The third one was emotionally gruesome. A young man was accused of raping a young woman at the beach. They were both students at the community college, I think. We had to sit all day listening while the attorneys tried to choose a jury, then were all told to come back in a week.

I had been among those who raised my hand yes when asked if I believed I could be impartial, but once I got home I became haunted as I tried to remember the names of all the women and girls who over time had told me about how they’d been raped. I could hardly sleep. I remembered my own childhood molestation. In my life I have been pretty good at compartmentalizing bad things so I could just get on with it, but this just broke down the defenses.

The following week we again assembled and listened to attorney-talk. Among other things, we were asked to review about 20 names on a whiteboard, a number of them from a county about 200 miles away — did we know any of them? Uh no. Because they would be coming to testify about his prior behaviors. Had we heard of a case there in which the defendant and several of his friends had been accused of assaulting a girl or girls in the restroom of the high school they attended? Because they’d been accused, not convicted. Oh shit no. He came to my town dragging this shadow. I’m sure his parents thought he’d be getting a fresh start.

At some point after that the judge asked us again if we had any doubts about our ability to go forward as impartial jurors, and if so, he would be glad to see us one by one in a separate room. It was kind of shocking how many women raised their hands, not just myself. I was dismissed out of that side-room almost before I could get the words out.

Later on I heard that the young man took a plea deal for 6 years, no trial. I’m sure he’s been out several years by now. For his own and everybody else’s sake, I hope he reformed, but I wouldn’t bet any money on it.







What is voir dire? BigmanPigman Apr 2021 #1
It literally means "to see/to speak" StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #2
OK, thanks! BigmanPigman Apr 2021 #4
That's all part of the voir dire process StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #7
That makes sense. BigmanPigman Apr 2021 #10
I love being on a jury, but am rarely chosen because lawyers often believe that lawyers will have to StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #16
The process of asking questions to determine juror bias HariSeldon Apr 2021 #6
Did you REALLY not know that you could have typed "voir dire" in your address bar and found out? Towlie Apr 2021 #65
Didn't you know many people don't know what voir dire is. Why make people work and use google Beringia Apr 2021 #72
Give someone a fish and you feed them for a day. Teach them how to fish and you feed them for life. Towlie Apr 2021 #74
I usually do Google for info BigmanPigman Apr 2021 #76
it really isn't lazy demtenjeep Apr 2021 #81
Thank you. BigmanPigman Apr 2021 #82
I've tried cases to juries and served on juries StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #3
Voir Dire for a murder trial. The defense got cute with the gun questions and 'what constituted hlthe2b Apr 2021 #5
Yes, a couple of civil cases in the 1980s Sherman A1 Apr 2021 #8
Yes, twice and I am going in for jury selection next Monday csziggy Apr 2021 #9
I served on a jury once. Why either side let a lawyer serve is beyond me. TomSlick Apr 2021 #11
My experience was similar StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #21
The guy spent six months in jail for something he didn't do questionseverything Apr 2021 #29
Yes, it eventually worked StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #32
Very Similar ProfessorGAC Apr 2021 #78
Yes, I was chosen as an alternate juror over 10 years ago in an asbestos/lung cancer case. beaglelover Apr 2021 #12
I sat on 3 - and all were murder cases Siwsan Apr 2021 #13
Once before I got into law enforcement CanonRay Apr 2021 #14
Called multiple times, went through voir dire once. Ms. Toad Apr 2021 #15
They won't pick engineers zipplewrath Apr 2021 #17
I've been on 2 juries hauckeye Apr 2021 #18
Appeared a few times, but never selected. Buckeye_Democrat Apr 2021 #19
LOL!!! LeftInTX Apr 2021 #57
I have never made it that far... secondwind Apr 2021 #20
When I served on a jury, one of my fellow jurors was an attorney and another Tanuki Apr 2021 #24
Yes, I was on a jury in a first degree murder trial. It was extremely stressful Tanuki Apr 2021 #22
I don't get called any more because I can't hear well. nt leftyladyfrommo Apr 2021 #23
Yes. Had a surprise mystery witness, a confession in open court, and an immediate arrest . . . Journeyman Apr 2021 #25
I was on a jury in 3 police officers were sued. One of the cops was empedocles Apr 2021 #26
Never mcar Apr 2021 #27
I'm a teacher. Probably why I didn't get picked on the 2nd trial? DA asked what my fav t-shirt was demtenjeep Apr 2021 #31
I did. Turbineguy Apr 2021 #28
I served on a jury a long time ago. Aristus Apr 2021 #30
Possession of a "legend drug"? I would call that an epic case of auto-correct, Aristus! Hekate Apr 2021 #47
How so? Aristus Apr 2021 #50
My blushes. I have never heard the term before. One learns something new every day, it seems. Hekate Apr 2021 #55
nor I ( was sure it was a misspelling) -(nt)- stopdiggin Apr 2021 #61
I couldn't serve on a possession case Elessar Zappa Apr 2021 #75
About 20 years ago I was called for jury duty. PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2021 #33
Twice relayerbob Apr 2021 #34
Once, it was one of the worst experiences of my life it Raine Apr 2021 #35
I was on a Grand Jury for 6 months The Polack MSgt Apr 2021 #36
Same experience Sgent Apr 2021 #67
I still feel sick bout my only jury experience.......haven't told anyone about this either. a kennedy Apr 2021 #37
Many times. Grand juries, criminal and civil juries, and even Glorfindel Apr 2021 #38
Never served on a jury (aside from DU) Retrograde Apr 2021 #39
I was on a criminal jury and a Grand Jury... brooklynite Apr 2021 #40
I think it would be interesting. Alas, they always ask me a few questions, thank me... hunter Apr 2021 #41
They don't like smart people on juries. LeftInTX Apr 2021 #58
Exactly! redstatebluegirl Apr 2021 #64
been on three. bedazzled Apr 2021 #42
I experienced voir dire once, for a murder case, but was not chosen for the jury. ShazzieB Apr 2021 #43
I just remembered an interesting (to me) detail. ShazzieB Apr 2021 #48
I have. herding cats Apr 2021 #44
Good for you! ShazzieB Apr 2021 #49
Aww, thank you! herding cats Apr 2021 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author ShazzieB Apr 2021 #45
Twice--one when a woman originaly pled guilty to a traffic issue, then tried to back out of her plea Maeve Apr 2021 #46
All I know about Voir Dire I learned from My Cousin Vinny robbob Apr 2021 #52
Yep - hope I never have to again FreeState Apr 2021 #53
Outside your window shanti Apr 2021 #84
Just a few times. A bogus injury, a very serious injury, and a serial rapist... Hekate Apr 2021 #54
Two juries Tree Lady Apr 2021 #56
A few times. I was voted jury foreman for the last one. SeattleVet Apr 2021 #59
No, but I get called every two years, Teachers get called a lot RANDYWILDMAN Apr 2021 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author Deminpenn Apr 2021 #62
once. and stricken during voir dire. stopdiggin Apr 2021 #63
voir dire three times HAB911 Apr 2021 #66
Yes. Twice. MineralMan Apr 2021 #68
Ya know, the standard is NOT 100% Happy Hoosier Apr 2021 #69
My spouse did. Ilsa Apr 2021 #70
I did, once mnhtnbb Apr 2021 #71
Same as you OriginalGeek Apr 2021 #73
Yes, March of 2020 ProfessorGAC Apr 2021 #77
Yes, Notek Apr 2021 #79
Tried civil cases to a jury but never been on one hardluck Apr 2021 #80
In 2009 I served on a jury for 3rd degree murder & other charges Orrex Apr 2021 #83
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