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ShazzieB

(15,952 posts)
76. O.M.G.
Sun Apr 25, 2021, 10:47 AM
Apr 2021

This: It's interesting that the victims in these situations - who are untrained and frightened - are always second-guessed, but the trained cops with the experience, guns and badges are given a pass, regardless what they do, because "they were in fear."

Wow. Holy crap. I'm almost embarrassed to say that I never actually thought about it from this exact angle, that OF COURSE the cops should be held to a higher standard, since they're the ones with the training.

I mean, I think I'm pretty good at not always looking for a justification for the cops. I definitely don't ever assume these things are justified; if anything, I tend to go in the opposite direction. I figured out a while back that there are a hell of a lot of cops who seem to operate on the assumption that all poc are automatically super dangerous and threatening, regardless of the individual's age or other personal characteristics or circumstances. I see that as being the basis for the vast majority of these shootings, and I know how mesed up that is. But I never thought about the training angle and that being a reason why we have the right to hold the cops to a higher standard. Bingo. I'm so glad you pointed that out.

The more I think about it, the more I think the training that cops are getting must be lacking in a lot of areas. There doesn't seem to be enough emphasis placed on learning how to de-escalate tense situations or developing good communication skills or actually LISTENING to what people are trying to tell you. A lot of cops don't seem to be able to even be able to recognize when they are dealing with someone who is so terrified they literally can't think straight. They definitely don't seem to be aware that poc are more than likely to be very afraid of them (for very sound and real reasons), let alone realize that certain behaviors (like shouting confusing orders in an angry and threatening way) is a lousy way to deal with someone in that frame of mind.

That is just some of the stuff they should getting a lot more training on, based on the behavior a lot of them demonstrate. And don't get me started on how badly they need to be trained on how to recognize their own unconscious biases (which we ALL have) and be aware of how those things can influence their behavior without their even realizing it.

I think it didn't take long for cops to figure out the right things to say when their cameras are Karadeniz Apr 2021 #1
Execution of POC by police... HipChick Apr 2021 #2
I don't think you're going to find a lot of folks trying to justify this. Captain Stern Apr 2021 #3
Oh, you'd be surprised ... StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #4
It only took 10 posts ... StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #14
Show me in my post where I justified the killing. marie999 Apr 2021 #17
They killed him to save his life. Cops are sworn to protect innocent life, so it was justified. sop Apr 2021 #46
He is alive, despite being shot 10 times. LisaL Apr 2021 #80
Even I can't see why he opened up like that Watchfoxheadexplodes Apr 2021 #5
You can't? StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #6
State your argument Watchfoxheadexplodes Apr 2021 #7
How about that? IrishAfricanAmerican Apr 2021 #9
When all else fails, play dumb StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #11
Black guy with a cell phone is one of their greatest hits! IrishAfricanAmerican Apr 2021 #13
If the suspect is Black Bettie Apr 2021 #34
Skittles ... bottle of water ... StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #35
And compliance, well Bettie Apr 2021 #36
"Show me your hands" Adam showed him his hands. And got shot anyway StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #38
It's always going to be too fast Bettie Apr 2021 #48
... StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #55
Yep Bettie Apr 2021 #66
This! PutGramaOnThePhone Apr 2021 #65
I'm not wholly convinced you're aware of the difference between "can not" and "will not LanternWaste Apr 2021 #47
It will interesting to see what excuses people come up with to justify this shooting Chautauquas Apr 2021 #8
Look down ... StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #25
I was wrong Chautauquas Apr 2021 #29
Until there is a full investigation, I will not say what I feel about the officer's actions. marie999 Apr 2021 #10
And we have a winner StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #12
Amazing gab13by13 Apr 2021 #18
I did not write that I thought the officer was justified. marie999 Apr 2021 #28
But you assumed the victim did not comply. Why? MrsCoffee Apr 2021 #50
But you assumed the victim didn't comply and that if he had he POSSIBLY wouldn't have been killed StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #57
Why do you think he didn't raise his hands? Why are you assuming he didn't comply? MrsCoffee Apr 2021 #20
Yet, you'll say what you feel about the victim's actions mcar Apr 2021 #26
Not just the victim. marie999 Apr 2021 #30
I think I'll make the decision not to listen to you anymore. Tommymac Apr 2021 #31
In this case, the victim did what the cop said to do mcar Apr 2021 #32
Like the conflicting, impossible to obey contradictory orders given to the army Lt.? niyad Apr 2021 #39
Exactly! PutGramaOnThePhone Apr 2021 #45
Including letting him/her search your vehicle without cause? mac2766 Apr 2021 #59
Woah...really...simple as... PutGramaOnThePhone Apr 2021 #63
Why is that? Captain Stern Apr 2021 #71
Why? Voltaire2 Apr 2021 #75
No PutGramaOnThePhone Apr 2021 #40
Thank you so much for this thoughtful and insightful post StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #42
This! So much... PutGramaOnThePhone Apr 2021 #49
O.M.G. ShazzieB Apr 2021 #76
Disobeying a lawful order of a police officer is a second-degree misdemeanor, it is not a capital sop Apr 2021 #54
What order did he disobey? Solomon Apr 2021 #64
He reportedly disobeyed the officer's orders: sop Apr 2021 #69
Since he didn't have a gun, how could he have dropped it? LisaL Apr 2021 #79
Since the cop assumed it was a gun, he should have dropped the phone. marie999 Apr 2021 #81
But how would he know what the cop assumed? LisaL Apr 2021 #82
He's supposed to have the presence of mind to use logic in a moment like that? StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #85
what?? llashram Apr 2021 #56
Another of these 'if they would just comply' BS.. HipChick Apr 2021 #72
Justifying summary execution. Voltaire2 Apr 2021 #74
A gun and a phone don't look alike, BTW ecstatic Apr 2021 #77
Ummmm what was the rush to shoot? Happy Hoosier Apr 2021 #78
It seems to me, based on the article, that he clearly tried to save the man's life. Thinking he had Carlitos Brigante Apr 2021 #15
NO, Son! Don't DO IT! StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #16
I think charges need to be brought when cops misidentify a threat when none exist SYFROYH Apr 2021 #19
The problem is that cops disproportionately assume Black people are threats StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #22
Yes, that true, but I think we still need to get cops in court SYFROYH Apr 2021 #24
True StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #27
Gonna have to reign in those unions first. IrishAfricanAmerican Apr 2021 #61
I agree. Captain Stern Apr 2021 #37
Right!? n/t PutGramaOnThePhone Apr 2021 #51
No excuse. Not for one shot, let alone ten n/t Tom Rinaldo Apr 2021 #21
I can't keep up mcar Apr 2021 #23
It's as if guns are the cops' "hammer." Eyeball_Kid Apr 2021 #33
Great comment... PutGramaOnThePhone Apr 2021 #52
Benefit of doubt goes to unarmed man shot. Hoyt Apr 2021 #41
... StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #43
Yeah... PutGramaOnThePhone Apr 2021 #60
i can't even see anything... Takket Apr 2021 #44
In the cops favor- sarisataka Apr 2021 #53
Same event but . . . people Apr 2021 #58
I can't imagine how frightening it is cate94 Apr 2021 #62
Cop said the magic words to justify killing... Just like one of the first episodes of South Park RockRaven Apr 2021 #67
Shot 10 times. CaptainTruth Apr 2021 #68
"He was clearly trying to end his own life." BobTheSubgenius Apr 2021 #70
I think a good number of cops are ill-suited to the job. -misanthroptimist Apr 2021 #73
Cop's an idiot and should be locked up greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #83
That about sums it up. LisaL Apr 2021 #84
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