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90. only non-woke people think and speak like this
Thu Apr 29, 2021, 03:11 PM
Apr 2021

...do what you want, but people with needs aren't going to stifle themselves to satisfy Carville's or anyone else's political strategery.

Politicians can measure their words and actions, but it's political gamesmanship to trifle with the expectations of voters, and moderate because some republican demagogue might try and advantage their own from your activism.

If we shape our demands to meet politicians' expectations we'll have none but ourselves to blame when that's all they aspire to.

Bookmarked to read later today. dixiechiken1 Apr 2021 #1
This link takes you directly to the article Ms. Toad Apr 2021 #2
I do agree with him that we need to change our language and messaging USAFRetired_Liberal Apr 2021 #3
Exactly StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #5
I'd have to add that they don't really KNOW what we stand for; only what Fox propaganda BComplex Apr 2021 #34
I think they know what we stand for. StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #39
I think you are right. Caliman73 Apr 2021 #63
If you feel there are no moderate voters (I or R) to appeal to, we should give up... brooklynite Apr 2021 #42
How links work on DU: Make7 Apr 2021 #4
Every word. Carville nails it and is spot on. Exactly what Thomas Frank wrote in 2004 in his book Ninga Apr 2021 #6
James Carville's version of "It's the economy, stupid" had us jumping from one Baitball Blogger Apr 2021 #7
And when we lost in 2000 because for some reason...voting for a Democrat is hard for some Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #103
You know, I was around during the nineties. Baitball Blogger Apr 2021 #109
It's interesting that the 90s and 2000 have been brought up as examples StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #116
You know, you who are against the Woke phenomenon have a short memory. Baitball Blogger Apr 2021 #117
Did you intend to direct this to me? StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #121
In retrospect, no. It certainly doesn't apply to what you posted. Baitball Blogger Apr 2021 #123
He took some heat for saying dems are too woke, but overall, he made some spot on observations, IMO. CrispyQ Apr 2021 #8
This argument about self-branding may already be obsolete. Recall Biden's speech last night. Eyeball_Kid Apr 2021 #26
We lost the Florida governorship last time by the slimmest of margins. cinematicdiversions Apr 2021 #84
How odd that you would bring up something that happened two years AFTER the election StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #89
Gilliam wasn't unappealing. That is why he almost won. cinematicdiversions Apr 2021 #92
Honestly, Gwen Graham would have won most likely. Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #104
The problem is he's accepting the republican spin on what "wokeness" is. brush Apr 2021 #9
His point is, we make it easy for the Repubs to do that Sugarcoated Apr 2021 #41
yeah right. CrackityJones75 Apr 2021 #62
+1, own our positions and attack republicans for not being American enough to accept them !!! uponit7771 Apr 2021 #82
Good stuff. Agreed. brush Apr 2021 #97
Yes we need to craft a message that is a winning message....defund the police was never going to Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #106
I don't know that was an official message CrackityJones75 Apr 2021 #118
Like "Biden hates meat" ? ... thx in advance uponit7771 Apr 2021 #81
"Wokeness" is a mindset. "Defund the Police" is a slogan StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #88
+1, uponit7771 Apr 2021 #80
See, the average fish eater would choose an orange roughy over a slimehead. gulliver Apr 2021 #10
That's exactly why the GOP are so skilled at framing issues pandr32 Apr 2021 #38
85%-15% was the favorability breakdown CrackityJones75 Apr 2021 #64
+1, "They also get their framing out their fast " & they have feedback thats even faster. They lurk uponit7771 Apr 2021 #74
In all the time I've been following politics EarlG Apr 2021 #11
Well-said ibegurpard Apr 2021 #14
Thanks for your much-appreciated insight. abqtommy Apr 2021 #15
Agree gratuitous Apr 2021 #18
IKR? StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #20
Perfectly said. Thank you! StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #19
+1 LizBeth Apr 2021 #23
I agree with your synopsis cynical_idealist Apr 2021 #28
You're on the mark. But already, Eyeball_Kid Apr 2021 #29
He didn't do anything Carville called for. He did just the opposite StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #32
+1, people are bending over backwards to relate to Carville no matter how wrong he is ... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #59
Carville has never really been a good democrat. At times, however, he ... Whiskeytide Apr 2021 #77
Could you show me any poll were dtp lost anyone any race? EarlG just responded in a post to this uponit7771 Apr 2021 #78
I don't disagree with anything you've said. But ... Whiskeytide Apr 2021 #98
Absolutely utopian Apr 2021 #30
Thank you wryter2000 Apr 2021 #31
+1, there are easier votes to get among the suppressed and disengaged than the middle. That doesn't uponit7771 Apr 2021 #83
OP WORTHY !!!!!! uponit7771 Apr 2021 #57
Definitely need this as an OP! n/t OneGrassRoot Apr 2021 #65
One Other Thing To Consider DallasNE Apr 2021 #75
+1 demmiblue Apr 2021 #86
Yes "Counterattack"! No reason to go Cha Apr 2021 #102
Those kids and their rock-and-roll devil music. This is what Politicub Apr 2021 #12
It sounds like good advice from an experienced campaign guy to me. Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #107
There is a point when even experienced people become Politicub Apr 2021 #124
Carville lives with a woman who voted for Trump twice ibegurpard Apr 2021 #13
There is not need to advance the word 'woke' ....civil rights works for me. Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #108
Sorry, the people who really know and who are voting don't care to have their issues re-framed to joetheman Apr 2021 #16
And if they could win elections all by themselves...it wouldn't matter but the house was won by Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #110
No he isn't. johnp3907 Apr 2021 #17
Not For Tender Ears Me. Apr 2021 #21
We're not going to stop using a 100 yr term because unaware white people want us to, that's stupid. uponit7771 Apr 2021 #22
Well if the term causes election losses...what have you gained? And it might. I hope not. Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #111
If you have polling proof, not just claims of people we respect, that a slogan was the reason ... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #114
Rev Al agrees LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #24
Yes, please stop using Latinx in campaigns! LeftInTX Apr 2021 #43
I have lived in Texas all of my life and I had never heard this term LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #68
Here: LeftInTX Apr 2021 #73
Rt TY! Cha Apr 2021 #101
White guy tells marginalized groups how they should talk. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2021 #25
word. KG Apr 2021 #33
+1 demmiblue Apr 2021 #85
Carville might be speaking a 1990's "truth"... Wounded Bear Apr 2021 #27
A 1990's truth...and have we made progress since then. Have we moved the country to the left? Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #112
Carville 's wrong and he's been wrong for a long time. KG Apr 2021 #35
He is not wrong actually. He is sounding a warning and we should listen. Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #113
No, he is pumping up RW framing and attacking his own (supposed) party. Celerity Apr 2021 #36
I'll put a pin in it for now. BobTheSubgenius Apr 2021 #37
I haven't bothered to check out what he said. I know the kind of Hortensis Apr 2021 #40
Maybe you should educate yourself on what he said before complaining about StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #44
No, he's not. Touchy sorts have taken offense at his Hortensis Apr 2021 #51
Being accused of being touchy is pretty rich StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #52
Frame The Party of the Rich as The Party of the Rich. Period. czarjak Apr 2021 #45
OMG!!1! Let's not frighten the scared old white people who'll never vote for us anyway! Pinback Apr 2021 #46
You and EarlG are spot on. johnp3907 Apr 2021 #54
The 2022 Midterms should give us a good idea how the woke strategy is working for us and whether jalan48 Apr 2021 #47
The difference between Republican messaging and Democratic messaging usually seems to be Lonestarblue Apr 2021 #48
We could work on simpler messaging LeftInTX Apr 2021 #49
This is true StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #56
Carville makes a point but he also misses 2 or 3. Ford_Prefect Apr 2021 #50
It's about the vocab, imho. Duppers Apr 2021 #53
If it's about vocabulary, he shouldn't be telling us to "abandon wokeness" StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #58
Will read this later, n/t Martin Eden Apr 2021 #55
The "Latin-X" fad needs to go away. Dawson Leery Apr 2021 #60
From what I'm seeing, the "Latin" community is torn on this. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2021 #87
he may make some decent points. But he's wrong. CrackityJones75 Apr 2021 #61
Wokeness DallasNE Apr 2021 #66
This term has been in use for more than 60 years and yes, there IS a common definition StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #70
It's the opposite of sleepness. Buckeye_Democrat Apr 2021 #72
SF school district renaming schools commemorating Washington, Lincoln and Jefferson andym Apr 2021 #67
That's not "wokeness" StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #71
Probably the most perfect example of what Carville was talking about. Wingus Dingus Apr 2021 #76
False, this is an example of an ingroup (white people) taking the term of an outgroup (black.. uponit7771 Apr 2021 #79
Thanks for agreeing! andym May 2021 #126
This sounds like FOX talking points StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #91
We could stop putting dead white guys on a pedestal Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2021 #93
Biden's election is proof. joshcryer Apr 2021 #69
only non-woke people think and speak like this bigtree Apr 2021 #90
Funny when Black and Brown people speak our minds and a white person is offended, we need to shut up StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #94
it's insidious bigtree Apr 2021 #95
He said something stupid and he's catching the right amount of shit for it. Iggo Apr 2021 #96
Came back to read both articles and I gotta say, I agree with Carville. dixiechiken1 Apr 2021 #99
A thread for white people to vent. Voltaire2 Apr 2021 #100
+1 StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #105
Can you be more divisive? That is very disrespectful to those who don't agree with you. Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #115
I'm not sure I agree w Carville. I don't agree that we need to go for the white FlyingPiggy Apr 2021 #119
I believe him to be an extremely smart yet simple man. RegularJam Apr 2021 #120
This ☝️☝️☝️ dixiechiken1 Apr 2021 #122
Why is that when Carville says something that offends lots of people - especially people of color StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #125
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