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Why is it that we have to give Carville the benefit of the doubt? Caliman73 Apr 2021 #1
He grew up in Louisiana, born in 1944. Lars39 Apr 2021 #2
This is the problem StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #3
I don't think people shouldn't be offended Loki Liesmith Apr 2021 #5
That's largely nonsense. Loki Liesmith Apr 2021 #4
pretty much affirming exactly what the OP said stopdiggin Apr 2021 #6
Do you see the abject fallacy in your reasoning? StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #8
I'll admit I do not stopdiggin Apr 2021 #22
Whether you like it or not, you're doing exactly what Carville is calling a problem. Silent3 Apr 2021 #10
So you are saying, that rather than educating themselves... Caliman73 Apr 2021 #26
No, I'm saying there's no need to expect Carville to "educate himself" Silent3 Apr 2021 #28
Of course not. No need to understand others if you are the dominant culture. Caliman73 Apr 2021 #31
If you say "I know what Carville wants to mean"... Silent3 Apr 2021 #33
If you say so. Caliman73 Apr 2021 #34
"there's no need to expect Carville to 'educate himself"' StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #42
That is of course what I meant Silent3 Apr 2021 #49
Liberal was a fine word and description of a political ideology for years but then it was hijacked Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #36
I agree that "whitey" is a slur and uncalled for... Caliman73 Apr 2021 #45
Another poster used the term and I posted to you in error...mea culpa. Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #47
No worries. I did a spit take! Caliman73 Apr 2021 #50
Yeah, I am sorry...I could make the excuse that my house is a disaster as we prepare to sell it Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #74
We don't. Carville left no doubt what he meant. Beastly Boy Apr 2021 #19
Sounds like you're doing damage control for Carville. Baitball Blogger Apr 2021 #7
Only Black and Brown people and our allies are expected to explain ourselves and adjust our words StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #9
Actually, I'm pointing out a general problem of communication... Silent3 Apr 2021 #12
Nope. The burden of proof is not on the people who will be most harmed by the misunderstanding. Baitball Blogger Apr 2021 #16
They why would Obama have said pretty much the same thing? Silent3 Apr 2021 #20
Obama didn't say the same thing StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #21
That's what wokeness means *to you*. Silent3 Apr 2021 #24
That's what wokeness means StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #25
Oh come now StarfishSaver... Caliman73 Apr 2021 #27
The thing is I think you do understand what he meant... Silent3 Apr 2021 #32
Or (almost certainly) simply playing games while acting sanctimonious. LanternWaste Apr 2021 #30
Obama will have to explain his position, as well. Baitball Blogger Apr 2021 #23
Nobody has to explain themselves...everyone can have their own opinion. I agree with Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #39
Excuse me? The Woke community is being called out by name, here. Baitball Blogger Apr 2021 #51
I don't like the term and the GOP will exploit it. Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #73
GOP exploited a black president just because he wore a tan suit. Baitball Blogger Apr 2021 #77
That's not what she said StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #52
She made a sweeping comment that the US is not racist. Baitball Blogger Apr 2021 #56
She in no way suggested this was 'past tense" StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #58
Everyone is basically characterizing it the same way. Baitball Blogger Apr 2021 #61
No, she didn't agree with Tim Scott StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #66
Obama doesn:t "have" to do anything StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #44
Actually, Obama was very vocal about racism being directed at him going during the Baitball Blogger Apr 2021 #53
He had to walk a very fine line while he was president. StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #55
Not true. Not true at all. Baitball Blogger Apr 2021 #57
Well, you sure set the record straight with that pithy and well researched response StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #59
I know definitely that he was talking about racism around that second election because Baitball Blogger Apr 2021 #60
Anecdotes about the few times Obama mentioned race in no way obviates my point StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #62
You sound like someone who is bobbing fiercely to stay afloat. Baitball Blogger Apr 2021 #65
You have spent the last several posts pulling things out of thin air I did not aay StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #67
No, you don't see me at all. Baitball Blogger Apr 2021 #71
This is revisionist history. When Clinton ran for president, we had 12 years of GOP presidents. Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #38
Carville worried about our wording? PurgedVoter Apr 2021 #11
Are you so absolutely, positively certain... Silent3 Apr 2021 #13
I don't think he was doing anything racist. He is just privileged Caliman73 Apr 2021 #29
I listened to a video with a crazy women afraid that vaccinated people were a danger... Silent3 Apr 2021 #35
No You Are Not RobinA Apr 2021 #80
Big Enders vs. Little Enders Mossfern Apr 2021 #14
And that is the truth and why we don't have nice things policy wise. Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #46
You are about to find out why Carville said what he said. marylandblue Apr 2021 #15
A big part of the problem is that too many people who have never experienced racism StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #17
It was never papered over for me. It became blatantly obvious during the 2016 primaries... Blasphemer Apr 2021 #40
Absolutely Spot on. I struggled mightily to articulate msfiddlestix Apr 2021 #18
Bull Fucking Shit. ismnotwasm Apr 2021 #37
What is your evidence that Carville was "ignoring whiteness as a social structure"? Silent3 Apr 2021 #41
What is your evidence that he wasn't? ismnotwasm Apr 2021 #43
So presumption of guilt is the best approach here? n/t Silent3 Apr 2021 #48
No StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #54
Benefit of the doubt isn't mutually exclusive here Silent3 Apr 2021 #68
Ok!! LOL USALiberal Apr 2021 #63
Please rewrite your post, makes no sense IMO! Nt USALiberal Apr 2021 #64
If you have a specific question... Silent3 Apr 2021 #70
Carville threw the word woke the same way right wingers do. Iggo Apr 2021 #69
+1, He used their framing cause he never heard it being used by black folk. He needs some black fri uponit7771 Apr 2021 #76
You are a brave soul Hekate Apr 2021 #72
And where was "cancel culture" when people were being fired for simply being gay? ck4829 Apr 2021 #75
It existed, and didn't have the name n/t Silent3 Apr 2021 #78
I think Carville is a much better political operative than Ron Green Apr 2021 #79
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