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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
38. Can you please say this again, louder?
Thu Apr 29, 2021, 11:18 PM
Apr 2021

Some people here really need to hear it - unfortunately, the ones who most need to hear it are also the most likely to clutch their pearls and complain that they're being victimized.

But maybe if enough white people say it, it might get through to some people.

It only matters until we have super majority in the Senate, and the House msfiddlestix Apr 2021 #1
That's what we're always told StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author caber09 Apr 2021 #18
We don't need ALL working class white voters. Beastly Boy Apr 2021 #25
I didn't say these voters hate Black and Brown voters, so let's smack that strawman down right away StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #26
You are fighting a majorly losing battle here... caber09 Apr 2021 #31
You are avoiding my questions. Beastly Boy Apr 2021 #35
In my view, the most important thing that people like Carville and other white progressives can do StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #37
With all due rrespect, the responsibility for explaining "wokefullness" to white working class voter Beastly Boy Apr 2021 #41
No, it's not our responsibility. StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #42
This is where I disagree. Beastly Boy Apr 2021 #46
Is there a survey somwhere Mossfern May 2021 #97
I can't get past the header... msfiddlestix Apr 2021 #28
So, you want to disenfranchise people Mossfern May 2021 #95
Not sure how you got from my posts that I want to disenfranchise anyone because they're white StarfishSaver May 2021 #96
I don't fit your Demands. pwb Apr 2021 #2
100 percent agree Watchfoxheadexplodes Apr 2021 #11
Wow what a terrible post... caber09 Apr 2021 #3
Agreed - we are ALL in this together. Merlot Apr 2021 #4
Plus one questionseverything Apr 2021 #8
Agreed, it's ignorant and the OP doesn't get what Carville was saying themaguffin May 2021 #86
I agree with the first part. Phoenix61 Apr 2021 #5
You think Joe would be President now and Haggard Celine Apr 2021 #6
They wouldn't be there without black and brown voters either StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #15
Who's giving a higher priority? Haggard Celine Apr 2021 #17
+100 caber09 Apr 2021 #19
When we're told we need to abandon weakness because moderate white voters don't like it StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #21
"The Democratic Party's future is black, brown, urban, and LGBTQIA." Haggard Celine Apr 2021 #24
Yes, and? Humanist_Activist Apr 2021 #36
Can you please say this again, louder? StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #38
Yes, everybody who sees things differently from you Haggard Celine Apr 2021 #40
Words are great, but illustrations are even more helpful StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #44
Yeah, what a tactic.. if you can't Cha Apr 2021 #51
That shit is getting old. Haggard Celine Apr 2021 #52
Yeah, Divisive as hell. When Cha Apr 2021 #53
Is it any more divisive than trying to police how many black people speak about issues? n/t Humanist_Activist May 2021 #91
Here's how Sen Warnoch speaks about "Defunding the Cha May 2021 #94
He's a politician, and cops aren't even in the top 20 of the most dangerous jobs in the country... Humanist_Activist May 2021 #104
Yes, Sen Warnach is an Excellent Politician Cha May 2021 #114
When that POV is based on lack of knowledge, and just unjustified grievances, hell yes! n/t Humanist_Activist May 2021 #92
+1, ... and supporting the "stop using those words" side of bad campaigners uponit7771 Apr 2021 #56
I most definitely does matter. Dream Girl Apr 2021 #7
Many of our elections swing on narrow margins... Silent3 Apr 2021 #9
There's a difference between fighting to get their vote and kicking the base to the curb in order to StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #16
Which is why it's always a delicate balancing act Silent3 Apr 2021 #27
Telling Black and Brown voters to abandon their approach ro appease white voters isn't "balance" StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #29
That's how you've obviously decided to interpret his words Silent3 Apr 2021 #30
How are they incorrect, he's literally whitesplaining, trying to police what Black people say... Humanist_Activist May 2021 #90
Carville's words seem to me more aimed at white people... Silent3 May 2021 #102
Define what the "woke olympics" are, can you? Humanist_Activist May 2021 #103
Take for example Governor Northam Silent3 May 2021 #120
That's virtue signalling, you're mixing up terms here. NT Humanist_Activist May 2021 #123
I'm not mixing up terms, I'm covering the bases of what the term "woke" has come to mean Silent3 May 2021 #124
Some commentary by Maya Binyam Silent3 May 2021 #121
Uhm, in 2008 "stay woke" had a meaning, to mostly communities... Humanist_Activist May 2021 #122
Well said.. Mahalo, Silent! Cha May 2021 #115
I agree that it is not worthwhile to try to appease them... Blasphemer Apr 2021 #10
Follow Carville's 'advice' to a 'T' and we run the party right into the ground Celerity Apr 2021 #12
THANK YOU!! joetheman Apr 2021 #13
Call me Hispanic, Latino or Mexican American SilasSouleII Apr 2021 #20
Because it's woke redqueen May 2021 #106
So you would exclude suburban Jews, Hispanics, and Asians from the democratic party cinematicdiversions Apr 2021 #22
I'm going to miss... Buckeye_Democrat Apr 2021 #23
The Democratic Party's future is Black, Brown, Urban, LGBTQIA... I don't agree with that In It to Win It Apr 2021 #32
Funny you mention this misanthrope Apr 2021 #33
Gotta point out: diversity still includes whites. n/t Beartracks Apr 2021 #34
I am a P.O.C. that dislikes and tries to avoid the term P.O.C. as well as Latinx, etc. Nexus2 Apr 2021 #39
I have always wondered why People of Color is less offensive than colored people. milestogo May 2021 #89
That's the thing. It soumds like there are two groups of humans: White people and -everything- else Nexus2 May 2021 #126
climate change denying pickup truck drivers aren't going to abandon them for mass transit. BGBD Apr 2021 #43
Personally, i don't think that's enough for us to win elections in the near term. Calista241 Apr 2021 #45
You really brought out... tonedevil Apr 2021 #47
Why is it Mossfern May 2021 #98
I try to use it.. tonedevil May 2021 #99
I generally like Carville Mad_Machine76 Apr 2021 #48
IOW.. abandon the rest of the party? Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2021 #49
HISPANICS ARE ABOUT 17%, AND SOMEWHERE AROUND 1/3 to 1/2 ARE WHITE. Hortensis May 2021 #81
Fine points. So you think the people who are trying to pit one Laura PourMeADrink May 2021 #83
Mostly stirring up R-on-L antagonism, right? Because that's where Hortensis May 2021 #93
I think you've got the correct answer!!! And, don't fall for the bait Laura PourMeADrink May 2021 #118
But fanning resentment and divisions among some opponents is so EASY! Hortensis May 2021 #119
Can not think of better words but "get it" and love your post nt Laura PourMeADrink May 2021 #125
Carville wasn't right. He doesn't know what "woke" means. maxsolomon Apr 2021 #50
Thank you StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #54
I came up with a new slogan: DEFLATE THE POLICE maxsolomon Apr 2021 #55
Of course Carville doesn't know what "woke" means! That was his entire point. Beastly Boy Apr 2021 #57
I didn't say that Academic Jargon wasn't a thing. maxsolomon Apr 2021 #58
My sympathies for having to deal with academic jargon on a daily basis. Beastly Boy Apr 2021 #59
I find the "academic jargon" to be a version of "they're so elitist" reverse classicism that StarfishSaver May 2021 #64
This is an interesting angle. Beastly Boy May 2021 #65
What's academic about "woke"? StarfishSaver May 2021 #66
Absolutely nothing, and I appreciate the question. Beastly Boy May 2021 #69
There are PLENTY of white people who DO understand it. They should explain it to other white people StarfishSaver May 2021 #71
I am skeptical about how "plenty" translates into numeric terms. Beastly Boy May 2021 #73
You or I speaking our minds and sharing views on DU is expressing an opinion StarfishSaver May 2021 #75
I just went through the trouble of re-reading the Carville inteerview. Beastly Boy May 2021 #77
We're obviously not going to have a meeting of the minds on this StarfishSaver May 2021 #78
Terrific. In this case, Carville gets the entirety of your benefit of doubt. Beastly Boy May 2021 #80
A lot of black and brown people don't want to be 'educated' by white saviors. redqueen May 2021 #108
What? Who said anything about Black and Brown people being educated by white people? StarfishSaver May 2021 #110
And the black and brown and yellow people who don't like wokeness? redqueen May 2021 #111
That's not what Carville said. He said "Wokeness is the problem and everyone knows it" StarfishSaver May 2021 #112
You keep talking about white people like they're the only ones redqueen May 2021 #113
You really need to pay attention to the topic of conversation if you're going to join in StarfishSaver May 2021 #116
Trump got more votes from both Black and Latino voters redqueen May 2021 #117
"Wokeness is a problem and we all know it." StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #60
Paying attention to context is important. Beastly Boy May 2021 #61
Context is important. That's why I quoted the whole quote that you left out StarfishSaver May 2021 #62
superb rebuttal, and I agree, he is not just whingeing on about the word 'woke' he has Celerity May 2021 #63
I am afraid you are giving Carville too much credit and reading too deeply into his mind. Beastly Boy May 2021 #67
Carville's not stupid and he's not naive StarfishSaver May 2021 #68
I will give you this. Beastly Boy May 2021 #70
He said in plain English "Wokeness is the problem" StarfishSaver May 2021 #72
We are running in circles here. Beastly Boy May 2021 #74
Not a good analogy. Red lights are a thing not an approach or a principle StarfishSaver May 2021 #76
Most (80% or so) DEMS I know in the real world, not online social media warriors HATE "wokeness" krawhitham May 2021 #79
Is this a racially diverse group? StarfishSaver May 2021 #82
Also, do they mean they hate the word/label or the concept? Celerity May 2021 #87
Good question StarfishSaver May 2021 #88
+1000000 Celerity May 2021 #100
I know people who hate the term "Woke" or "Wokeness" Bettie May 2021 #107
Same. And yes they're racially diverse. nt redqueen May 2021 #109
As it always is, a term has been corrupted by the extremes. Drunken Irishman May 2021 #84
Thank you so much for this post StarfishSaver May 2021 #85
+10000000000000000 Celerity May 2021 #101
What? You are saying it's the right wing that is starting this? Laura PourMeADrink May 2021 #105
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