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Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
23. ummm
Thu May 13, 2021, 12:16 PM
May 2021
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10694-013-0380-3

Fire investigators regularly evaluate available fuels and potential ignition sources to determine the cause of a fire. This work examined the propensity of lit cigarettes to ignite gasoline vapors, expanding on previous work to include a large number of trials and a wide range of test conditions. Experiments were conducted exposing lit cigarettes, both at idle and under draw, to gasoline vapors in various configurations including pools/pans of gasoline, gasoline on textile substrates (clothing), and sprays of gasoline. Five major brands of commercially-manufactured tobacco cigarettes were tested. The experiments conducted for this study consisted of 70 distinct tests involving a total of 723 cigarettes and over 4,500 instances of exposure of a lit cigarette to ignitable concentrations of gasoline vapor in air. There were no instances of the ignition of gasoline vapors from the exposure of those vapors to a lit tobacco cigarette during any of the experiments.







https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21605828/

Attempted ignition of petrol vapour by lit cigarettes and lit cannabis resin joints

Rebecca S Jewell 1, Jonathan D Thomas, Rebecca A Dodds
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PMID: 21605828 DOI: 10.1016/j.scijus.2010.10.002

Abstract
A recent murder enquiry prompted experimentation to confirm and visually demonstrate that lit cigarettes are not a viable source of ignition of petrol vapour. In addition, tests comprising the attempted ignition of petrol vapour using hot and smouldering cannabis resin were also undertaken. A series of experiments was also designed to recreate circumstances specific to the crime under investigation by undertaking cigarette/joint ignition tests involving a mannequin clothed in a cotton garment onto which petrol was applied. The ultimate aim of the experiments was to produce a visual aid for use during court proceedings. Thirty nine (39) ignition attempts that involved exposing lit commercial cigarettes, hand-rolled cigarettes and cannabis resin joints to petrol vapour were undertaken; ignition was not achieved in any of the scenarios. In addition, a single attempt to ignite petrol vapour emanating from a pool of liquid fuel was effected with a smouldering piece of cannabis resin; no ignition occurred. In all cases the petrol was clearly present within the limits of flammability since ignition was subsequently effected using a naked flame.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/feb/27/smoking.film

"On the face of it it's a pretty simple problem," said Richard Tontarski, an expert in forensic fire at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms research laboratory in Beltsville, Maryland. Cigarettes burn at around 700C (1,292F) and the ignition temperature of petrol is 246C. "But it just isn't that simple," he said
Hopefully the insurance company refuses to cover it. roamer65 May 2021 #1
Not sure why they wouldn't fescuerescue May 2021 #13
Stupid provisions rarely exist in most insurance policies SallyHemmings May 2021 #19
The operative term is often "reasonable negligence" TwilightZone May 2021 #38
Hopefully, his insurance company is smarter than people who repeat unverified claims Effete Snob May 2021 #20
A cigarette lighter produces a flame. nt happybird May 2021 #29
Why didn't the gasoline ignite? Effete Snob May 2021 #31
Unlike what you see in the movies, gasoline doesn't burn or explode Brother Buzz May 2021 #47
And you can extinguish a match in liquid propane gas ... TomWilm May 2021 #65
Gasoline fumes burn; liquid doesn't BruceWane May 2021 #48
You can pour gasoline on a small fire and put it out Warpy May 2021 #59
Yeah, I noticed that too. Treefrog May 2021 #44
did he survive it? n/t getagrip_already May 2021 #2
This is what I found -- "one hurt" in Homosassa, Citrus County, FL. Here ancianita May 2021 #54
He's dead, right? Good grief! n/t Greybnk48 May 2021 #3
Thats what I was wondering.... TheRealNorth May 2021 #39
First clue he is an idiot is that he owned a Hummer jalan48 May 2021 #4
Aren't those one basically overpriced mid-sized SUVs? Sapient Donkey May 2021 #37
they are civilian version of the military humvee..... getagrip_already May 2021 #57
I think that describes the early models of the hummer Sapient Donkey May 2021 #73
Thank You. nt Progressive Jones May 2021 #46
People are annoying when there's some kind of shortage. Oneironaut May 2021 #5
A report I saw a couple of days ago gratuitous May 2021 #8
Right now Florida is pushing their hurricane preparedness informercials csziggy May 2021 #69
My thing is: did he pass those defective genes down to the next generation? Aristus May 2021 #6
Got a link to the story? ornotna May 2021 #7
I found a link to the story. Driver injured, not dead. euphorb May 2021 #9
Thanks. Doesn't mention the cigarette. n/t ornotna May 2021 #10
A cigarette won't ignite gasoline fumes Effete Snob May 2021 #18
But a lighter will, right? Mariana May 2021 #22
One news story about the incident doesn't mention a cigarette Effete Snob May 2021 #25
The official reports don't mention it. Ms. Toad May 2021 #60
I was going to post this but also see nothing about a cigarette Lettuce Be May 2021 #33
There's also nothing about the gasoline burning Effete Snob May 2021 #35
It was good to see the masked LEO in the background. Hugin May 2021 #11
All it takes is the right fuel/air combination and BOOM. roamer65 May 2021 #27
Florida man. Duppers May 2021 #71
Well when your stupid enough to drive a gas guzzler. mikeysnot May 2021 #12
Was he smart enough to bring a big bag of marshmallows to,... magicarpet May 2021 #14
Who needs regulations said the MAGAt malaise May 2021 #15
I hope he got out in time Bucky May 2021 #16
Yes, he may have gotten out to find out why his engine was burning Effete Snob May 2021 #30
Brings Up A Funny Story ProfessorGAC May 2021 #17
Gasoline has a flashpoint of -40 degrees. Turbineguy May 2021 #21
ummm Effete Snob May 2021 #23
One injured but well enough to refuse advice to be transported. Thank goodness. Hortensis May 2021 #24
The cigarette is needed for the endorphin rush of moral superiority Effete Snob May 2021 #26
:) Oh, my people. But given just a little time Hortensis May 2021 #32
It's weird that nobody notices the condition of the canisters in the OP Effete Snob May 2021 #34
:) That last for sure. Many don't realize DU IS a social medium. Hortensis May 2021 #40
They are designed that way DontBelieveEastisEas May 2021 #41
"Can you see all 5 in the photo" Effete Snob May 2021 #42
Good depth of knowledge DontBelieveEastisEas May 2021 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author ChubbyStar May 2021 #68
Lmao! Treefrog May 2021 #52
The gas containers appear to be more intact than the front end of the car Effete Snob May 2021 #28
Darwin award candidate. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2021 #36
Between numbnuts like this and maskholes ... lpbk2713 May 2021 #43
Oh well then... NNadir May 2021 #45
Burned himself while acting like a greedy pig. GoodRaisin May 2021 #49
Was he in Zoolander?? Nt JanMichael May 2021 #51
Couldn't happen to a better vehicle. Traildogbob May 2021 #53
The gas cans and fictional reddit cigarette had nothing to do with the fire... WarGamer May 2021 #55
I assume this guy HAD a Trump bumper sticker. Vinca May 2021 #56
The speculation about a cigarette comes from Reddit - Ms. Toad May 2021 #58
why let FACTS disturb great fan fiction, right? WarGamer May 2021 #61
I almost wrote #factsmatter at the end of the post. Ms. Toad May 2021 #63
exactly. WarGamer May 2021 #64
I'm sure the gasoline had nothing to do with the fire kcr May 2021 #72
Safety first? keithbvadu2 May 2021 #62
Hollywood does a great disservice HAB911 May 2021 #66
Lucky to be alive... gldstwmn May 2021 #67
actual idiots Calculating May 2021 #70
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