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In reply to the discussion: Joe Manchin is Right. [View all]

LonePirate

(13,405 posts)
38. You are making a massive (and incorrect) assumption that regular changes of control are coming.
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 12:12 AM
Jun 2021

I completely disagree with the constant part. First, there might an initial changeover in control as each party rushes to push through their backlog. However, after that initial rush and after things are blocked by presidential vetoes or Supreme Court rulings, that tide of reactive legislation opposed by the other party will decrease dramatically. That will stem the turnover you're needlessly worried about.

Also, despite the fluke of the 2016 election, the chances of a Republican returning to the White House anytime soon, barring a significant economic downturn, are slim, even with the malfeasance of Republican state legislatures. GA is not reverting red as it is the new CO or VA. TX is knocking on the Dems door and it will turn blue in either 2024 or 2028. That's lights out for Republicans at the presidential level when that happens. FL becomes inconsequential and even it is not guaranteed to be in the red column for every election. A Dem president stops the bulk of the Republican horrors which prevents a lot of the turnover you fear.

Still, fear is never a valid reason to maintain an anti-democratic rule not supported by the Constitution. Supporting the filibuster is simply declaring your opposition to current American democracy while hiding behind the entirely speculative belief that the future will be worse without the filibuster. Ignoring the problems of today while cowering to a completely uncertain and unlikely fate in the future is what is actually absurd,

Joe Manchin is Right. [View all] BGBD Jun 2021 OP
I had no clue that this bill was so flawed ...thanks! Demsrule86 Jun 2021 #1
This is a brave post and people should read the article. I still don't like Manchin not setting ... uponit7771 Jun 2021 #2
Joe Manchin is wrong... dmacdon4 Jun 2021 #3
How do you know? GoodRaisin Jun 2021 #6
I read the article and I agree the article is Republican propaganda. LonePirate Jun 2021 #11
Lol BGBD Jun 2021 #19
Seems at worst, merely a corollary to the piece offered in the OP LanternWaste Jun 2021 #20
I read the article too, but I haven't read the bill. GoodRaisin Jun 2021 #21
being a yahoo opinion piece should be your first clue krawhitham Jun 2021 #27
Why? GoodRaisin Jun 2021 #32
Perhaps, but he should be specific... Blanks Jun 2021 #4
it was interesting, FoxNewsSucks Jun 2021 #5
NO budkin Jun 2021 #7
Lawrence featured some of these arguments on his program last night greenman3610 Jun 2021 #8
Manchin was a cosponsor for the For The People Act wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #9
He was in 2019, but is no longer a co-sponsor. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #17
So what made him change his mind? wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #25
WTF? That has nothing to do with HR1. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #26
HR1 is the For The People Act wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #30
Yes...your point? Not Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #31
Walk me through it wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #33
A large check from the Koch bros? It didn't have anything to do with defunding police. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #35
"Flip flop" BGBD Jun 2021 #37
That article is exceptionally short-sighted, misinformed and biased. It needs to be ignored. LonePirate Jun 2021 #10
The irony BGBD Jun 2021 #28
If you don't support majority rule, you don't support democracy in this country. LonePirate Jun 2021 #34
Absurd BGBD Jun 2021 #36
You are making a massive (and incorrect) assumption that regular changes of control are coming. LonePirate Jun 2021 #38
interesting article but he has no solutions NJCher Jun 2021 #12
Manchin is dead set against one voting rights bill, McConnell is against the other one. Nexus2 Jun 2021 #40
well if he'll fight for the John Lewis Law and not this one, he is right. It's his choice. dem4decades Jun 2021 #13
This article is BS StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #14
No he's not. Bullshit article from self described "TheoCon". Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #15
You should delete this OP- RW talking points. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #16
The article leaves the implication that Joe Manchin had critiques of the FTP Act outside of the In It to Win It Jun 2021 #18
Nope JustAnotherGen Jun 2021 #22
Votes were cast in '20 in accordance with the law. Repubs hated the results so they lie as a defense LonePirate Jun 2021 #39
Well He's Certainly Not Acting Like He's Left....nt global1 Jun 2021 #23
Political views In its current incarnation, The New Republic has been unambiguously to the left and Fullduplexxx Jun 2021 #24
How we really should be pressing Joe Manchin right now Goodheart Jun 2021 #29
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