I know I'm fighting a lonely battle on DU but (Reply #12)

In the discussion thread: I talked my wife into not attending the Minnesota State Fair [View all]

Tue Aug 24, 2021, 05:12 PM

Tomconroy (7,106 posts)

12. I know I'm fighting a lonely battle on DU but

There is a lot of real world evidence that it is safe to be outdoors in a crowded venue. Major League Baseball has been going on all summer without significant Covid outbreaks. There is hardly any medical literature documenting outdoor transmission of Covid. The only study I could find was a non peer reviewed study out of Baylor which described an outdoor wedding where maybe six people caught Covid. We'll see it it holds up.
I'm sure people will point to Sturgis. But there are a lot of indoor bars and restaurants in the area. I think Deadwood is close by and I believe it has casinos. Plenty of places for Covid to spread the 500 or so cases the CDC documented in 2020 in the way we know happens: indoors.
I personally find the evidence provided by Major League Baseball to be pretty convincing.
It may be safer out there than people think.

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67 replies	Author	Time	Post
I talked my wife into not attending the Minnesota State Fair [View all]	MineralMan	Aug 2021	OP
Very smart move!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t	RKP5637	Aug 2021	#1
Rig a hoop throwing game with a giant teddy bear as a prize.	CrispyQ	Aug 2021	#2
2 million attendees. She's definitely making the correct decision.	bullwinkle428	Aug 2021	#3
Not on the day she would have gone, though.	MineralMan	Aug 2021	#4
I was there on the Sunday before Labor Day in 2019 (2nd last day). It was totally	bullwinkle428	Aug 2021	#43
Good job	LetMyPeopleVote	Aug 2021	#5
Not going either.	ProudMNDemocrat	Aug 2021	#6
Whew. That would very likely have been disastrous.	lagomorph777	Aug 2021	#7
I agree, they should cancel it.	Haggard Celine	Aug 2021	#8
good call imo	barbtries	Aug 2021	#9
There aren't enough wild horses to drag me there this year.	Ocelot II	Aug 2021	#10
You just enjoy the next monster truck event in safe environs	True Dough	Aug 2021	#27
Excellent call.	Niagara	Aug 2021	#11
I know I'm fighting a lonely battle on DU but	Tomconroy	Aug 2021	#12
I'm ignorant of the evidence provided by Major League Baseball	KS Toronado	Aug 2021	#13
A lot of games. A lot of crowds. No Covid outbreaks.	Tomconroy	Aug 2021	#15
I don't know what MLB considers an "outbreak"	KS Toronado	Aug 2021	#21
That's probably true, but we run some risks even in our homes,	Tomconroy	Aug 2021	#33
Why even take the risk under the circumstances?	PufPuf23	Aug 2021	#19
But what if it actually is safe? There is real life evidence that it is.	Tomconroy	Aug 2021	#22
A major Spanish Flu outbreak followed a parade in Philadelphia.	appleannie1	Aug 2021	#34
Th other day people were saying Obama's event was fine and the same for Lollapolooza.	Treefrog	Aug 2021	#35
The Obama thing was way over the top.	Tomconroy	Aug 2021	#37
And now Kanye has a big concert planned in Chicago with no vax requirements at all.	Treefrog	Aug 2021	#54
When my city (Philly) reinstituted the mask mandates a couple weeks ago	BumRushDaShow	Aug 2021	#38
You may be right, but to me those baseball seats look	Tomconroy	Aug 2021	#39
When I was looking up seat widths	BumRushDaShow	Aug 2021	#42
Of course the churches are indoors. I've been trying to think	Tomconroy	Aug 2021	#45
Don't forget that some of the data that the CDC used for recommending their changes in mask usage	BumRushDaShow	Aug 2021	#46
I've read the Provincetown study three times. There were many	Tomconroy	Aug 2021	#47
Many "outdoor" events have "indoor" components	BumRushDaShow	Aug 2021	#49
Actually I know virtually nothing about science or	Tomconroy	Aug 2021	#51
"study proves that vaccinated people can infect others with Covid. It does not do that"	BumRushDaShow	Aug 2021	#52
The Provincetown study was very explicit about the	Tomconroy	Aug 2021	#53
But that wasn't your argument	BumRushDaShow	Aug 2021	#58
Technically, my argument was that the Provincetown study	Tomconroy	Aug 2021	#59
Neither the Provincetown nor Wisconsin publications	BumRushDaShow	Aug 2021	#62
Which tells us a little but not too much.	Tomconroy	Aug 2021	#63
Consistency and validation across different populations and data sets tells QUITE a lot	BumRushDaShow	Aug 2021	#64
I went to a hip hop concert too. Had a great time.	Tomconroy	Aug 2021	#65
A "Ct" is an abbreviation for "Cycle threshold"	BumRushDaShow	Aug 2021	#67
Thanks for sharing. What about masks outside?	ecstatic	Aug 2021	#40
As far as I can tell there are no studies about masks outside.	Tomconroy	Aug 2021	#41
We usually go every year	geardaddy	Aug 2021	#14
Don't blame you a bit.	paleotn	Aug 2021	#16
Same issues here. There should be masks at minimum.	findeerror	Aug 2021	#17
Given the current status of cv19, the Minn State Fair Board most prudent step	PufPuf23	Aug 2021	#18
I'd think it would be safe to hang out in the Christensen Pavilion early on a weekday.	Klaralven	Aug 2021	#20
I'm worried about visiting my Mom in the Twin Cities after the Great MN Superspreader Event. n/t	TygrBright	Aug 2021	#23
I had plans to attend a state fair, and dropped them.	lindysalsagal	Aug 2021	#24
Yup. I had plans to go to a show at the OC Fair.	Initech	Aug 2021	#32
Great choice!	Dreampuff	Aug 2021	#25
Masks or not, you couldn't get me near a crowded place like that	MissMillie	Aug 2021	#26
We just had our local Organized Labor Day picnic canceled.	LiberalFighter	Aug 2021	#28
👀 corn dogs and deep fried cheese curds at home?!	Mersky	Aug 2021	#29
Get the beef corn dogs. They cost more but worth it over the mystery meat dogs.	keithbvadu2	Aug 2021	#30
There are all kinds of events going on here with cases exploding, not going anywhere. nt	yaesu	Aug 2021	#31
We all miss our favorite events and traditions	Moebym	Aug 2021	#36
Very smart move MM	FakeNoose	Aug 2021	#44
Some of whom are probably asymptomatic spreaders	GopherGal	Aug 2021	#61
But you'll miss the butter sculptures!	struggle4progress	Aug 2021	#48
I never liked crowds.	Texaswitchy	Aug 2021	#50
I love crowds and I miss them.	Iggo	Aug 2021	#60
Good idea about not going to the fair.	panader0	Aug 2021	#55
I took my family to a county fair	TheFarseer	Aug 2021	#56
Update: Her Friends Also Decided Not to Go.	MineralMan	Aug 2021	#57
I absolutely LOVE the MN state fair.	CrackityJones75	Aug 2021	#66

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