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67. It's always the same ones. The "but-her-emails" crowd and the "Dems-are-Coastal-Elites" crowd...

Tue Sep 28, 2021, 10:39 AM

Sep 2021

It's always the same ones. The "but-her-emails" crowd and the "Dems-are-Coastal-Elites" crowd... and when not attacking our party's stalwart leaders, they're busy attacking the Democratic party itself.

Stop me if you've heard these smears and LIES before: "Democrats are weak" ... "No difference between the parties" ... "Democrats are corrupt" ... "Democrats are ideologically bankrupt" ... "Democrats are war-mongers" ... "Democrats are the party-of-the-elite" ... "Democrats are do-nothings".

The thing is... people who repeat those lies and insults and smears don't achieve the goal of "purity" that they desire. Instead, the only thing they accomplish is to create division and suspicion. They foment distrust and resentment.

What useful purpose does it serve? It's just another example of how people are oddly willing to do and say things that create an atmosphere of fear and hopelessness and negativity. Negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.

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Pelosi Caves; Machin Gets His Way [View all] berni_mccoy Sep 2021 OP

And we will not see a reconciliation bill Bettie Sep 2021 #1

The Repubs have stated they'll vote to fund the government and raise the debt ceiling if Dems Calista241 Sep 2021 #90

But you are trusting Republicans to keep their word. TheRealNorth Sep 2021 #121

Oh ye of little faith. Walleye Sep 2021 #2

Your figure on the bill is way off. It's over a trillion... brush Sep 2021 #3

It's not going to happen. Manchin and Sinema are not acting in good faith. berni_mccoy Sep 2021 #4

That's your opinion. brush Sep 2021 #5

This goes against everything Biden, Pelosi and Schumer were saying berni_mccoy Sep 2021 #8

With friends like you, who needs enemies. The 3.5 figure... brush Sep 2021 #13

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 PortTack Sep 2021 #54

Personal attacks are all you have. Got it berni_mccoy Sep 2021 #80

Your pessimism on the Dem agenda is off-putting. During negotiations... brush Sep 2021 #141

It's not pessimism. It's reality. berni_mccoy Sep 2021 #146

You say that yet negotiations are still going on. brush Sep 2021 #147

Tell you what, berni_mccoy Sep 2021 #148

I keep saying the 3.5T figure is a starting point which will likely change in... brush Sep 2021 #149

This isn't a mystery or an attack on progressives...the votes are not there. You have to Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #89

Two votes aren't there. And they never will be. berni_mccoy Sep 2021 #97

And isn't it odd that for all the screaming about progressives Bettie Sep 2021 #99

Agreed berni_mccoy Sep 2021 #102

That depends on your point of view. The bill has passed and is ready to go. Holding it hostage to Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #113

That is true to a point. The reconciliation bill will not pass as it stands now. We will have to Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #100

I know you think it's still going to happen berni_mccoy Sep 2021 #103

We've been to this show before and Bettie Sep 2021 #108

I think something will pass. They are going to put the debt ceiling stuff in it...likely no one will Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #138

The CPC gave the conditions TheRealNorth Sep 2021 #122

I agree with you those two Senators are going doc03 Sep 2021 #9

Sinema has gotten a vote of no confidence from the AZ Dems!! She's toast PortTack Sep 2021 #55

at this point, they are only useful for allowing judges to advance in the Senate TheRealNorth Sep 2021 #126

They've said they won't support the 3.5T figure. brush Sep 2021 #15

They also said it's too socialistic after being asked what $ they'd support berni_mccoy Sep 2021 #17

We'll see. In negotiations you take stances to bargain... brush Sep 2021 #20

Exactly, and we expect Democrats to negotiate in good faith,as opposed to Republicans who lie Walleye Sep 2021 #81

It isn't actually "way off" FBaggins Sep 2021 #7

So that's why it's called the 1.1T infrastructure biparisan bill? brush Sep 2021 #10

Is that in the bill title somewhere? FBaggins Sep 2021 #12

Only WHITT Sep 2021 #35

the bi-partisan bill has only $550 billion on new spend, the other $650 billion is simply re-upping Celerity Sep 2021 #112

Yeah, that's a big comfort Orrex Sep 2021 #72

We don't have the votes. And at the end of the day, it is what it is. Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #98

If only we controlled both houses of Congress and the White House Orrex Sep 2021 #101

Don't hold your breath for those ads because they would be dumb. StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #127

Minority rule, gab13by13 Sep 2021 #6

No, the second bill will happen .... Lovie777 Sep 2021 #11

If the Republicans had control of the Congress and doc03 Sep 2021 #14

The Republicans didn't pass anything except a tax cut. They accomplished nothing. Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #38

Absolutely. We need to shout that a little louder.one thing we can count on is the GOP double cross Walleye Sep 2021 #85

No, Pelosi didn't cave StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #16

Suuuuure all that talk about passing both together berni_mccoy Sep 2021 #18

Changing strategy/course in response to circumstances is not "caving" StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #21

Those "circumstances" are an unexpected betrayal berni_mccoy Sep 2021 #23

Both "cave" and "betrayal" go way too far FBaggins Sep 2021 #24

If it was this predictable, then why did they attempt it? berni_mccoy Sep 2021 #25

Perhaps you're brand new to this game? FBaggins Sep 2021 #32

Perhaps you are. berni_mccoy Sep 2021 #34

Who are your two Senators? MineralMan Sep 2021 #44

That's a sad excuse for failure berni_mccoy Sep 2021 #48

You did not answer my question, nor did you respond MineralMan Sep 2021 #49

I don't answer to you berni_mccoy Sep 2021 #105

And you don't have to. I can't do anything but ask. MineralMan Sep 2021 #119

I think either one could be elected in AZ dsc Sep 2021 #92

How is the Speaker of the House supposed to "strong arm" two Senators into "holding the line"? StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #26

How do you "strong arm" any Senator? MineralMan Sep 2021 #42

Pork, bribes, Kompromat, whatever it takes. lagomorph777 Sep 2021 #63

Who are your Senators? MineralMan Sep 2021 #70

Tim Kaine and Mark Warner lagomorph777 Sep 2021 #71

Thanks. No doubt they will vote with the caucus and MineralMan Sep 2021 #73

Yup! lagomorph777 Sep 2021 #78

Agree...stop bashing our dem leaders! They need our support not negative words PortTack Sep 2021 #60

Exactly.. any port in the storm to use Cha Sep 2021 #142

I don't think she bdamomma Sep 2021 #57

Ten house members want to pare the reconciliation bill down. Hortensis Sep 2021 #19

I don't think that it's even necessarily that FBaggins Sep 2021 #28

THey came around because Manchin and Sinema were envisioning a 1.2t reconciliation bill. Calista241 Sep 2021 #93

Manchin and Sinema aren't envisioning the same thing as each other. FBaggins Sep 2021 #107

True as you say for one of their motivations. And they and the senators Hortensis Sep 2021 #106

Elections have consequences. Clyburn has said that 'defund the police' and other similar Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #39

Here in the Twin Cities, we have a police force in Minneapolis that is out of control ... TheRealNorth Sep 2021 #124

There is no doubt reform is needed but the defund the police slogan was a disaster for us in the Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #135

How many George Floyd's will it take... TheRealNorth Sep 2021 #140

Except the key to those bigger majorities NewsCenter28 Sep 2021 #144

can bdamomma Sep 2021 #59

:) Inked in and coffee stained years ago. Sinema, whose latest fundraiser Hortensis Sep 2021 #111

LOL, she didn't cave, the votes weren't there, thats just reality, no magic wands to get your way Shanti Shanti Shanti Sep 2021 #22

It's too bad that none of the people accusing Speaker Pelosi of "caving" StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #30

"The sky is falling! Abandon all hope. True sailing is dead!" panader0 Sep 2021 #27

Manchin gets shite.... pelosi doesn't care what he says or wants...... getagrip_already Sep 2021 #29

Actually the moderate want to pass the bipartisan bill now to kill the reconciliation bill Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #83

That is not true. It has never been true. Moderates know the votes are not there to pass the Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #96

The moderates in Gottheimer's gang who want to kill reconciliation are mostly in safe seats Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #114

Maybe...but there is no reason not to pass the infrastructure bill and the reconciliation bill could Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #115

The *only* reason to pass the bipartisan bill first is to KILL reconciliation Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #125

There are two separate bills. I do not believe the infrastructure bill will kill anything. Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #134

No she didn't. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #31

I think we will get the second bill but less money...I am very relieved we will get Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #33

Nobody "Caved." You are mistaking strategy for surrender. MineralMan Sep 2021 #36

What is the strategy of making frequent statements in the press that you later have to go back on? MichMan Sep 2021 #47

because it works until it doesn't....... getagrip_already Sep 2021 #51

Well, legislative leaders often make such statements, but MineralMan Sep 2021 #66

W.VA must be bombarded with truth flyers and Biden ads where ever possible. nt joetheman Sep 2021 #37

WVA is a red state...crimson...it is a miracle that Manchin has survived. And when he is gone, there Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #40

Thank you for sharing your voice of REASON!! NurseJackie Sep 2021 #53

You too! One poster actually said it would be better if Manchin was a Republican which would put Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #58

at some point we would be better of at least politically if McConnell were in charge dsc Sep 2021 #110

That is just not true. And I suppose SCOTUS doesn't matter...it is never a good idea for the GOP to Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #116

appointments is the one place where it matters alot dsc Sep 2021 #118

Breyer needs to be persuaded to retire IMHO. I fear for our country if McConnell is in charge of Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #120

I would add that adding to our majority rather than caving to the Republicans would make more sense Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #117

You really believe that? StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #128

We haven't hit that point yet dsc Sep 2021 #130

I don't think that will happen StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #132

To what end, exactly? MineralMan Sep 2021 #41

And you know this can all be traced back to the message voters who stabbed Obama in the Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #43

But, then there would be nothing to complain about. MineralMan Sep 2021 #46

And there it is, in a nutshell StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #56

haha, Good point! Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #64

Exactly! StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #52

++++++ I can't count the number of times I posted during the '16 campaign remember SCOTUS PortTack Sep 2021 #65

I used it for GOTV...we have a script but I was so concerned I pushed that issue...it would Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #74

It's always the same ones. The "but-her-emails" crowd and the "Dems-are-Coastal-Elites" crowd... NurseJackie Sep 2021 #67

I believe such folks encourage low voter turnout...you hold our leaders feet to the fire and we Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #75

I'm sick of it! And then after the sabotage and kneecapping is complete... NurseJackie Sep 2021 #84

I despise Michael Moore, Justice Democrats, Greens, the People's Party(Nina Turner) and Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #87

Her tenure is limited. Obsessing over her is a waste of time... I don't know why people bother. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #94

I agree...can't see her running again. My fear that we run a Democrat who is to far left to win this Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #104

Now they are the same ones who are complaining mcar Sep 2021 #131

This +1000! mcar Sep 2021 #129

We took the opposite messages from 2010 to 2014 NewsCenter28 Sep 2021 #145

Fuck it.................. Nothing to see here folks, move along. nt Hotler Sep 2021 #45

And there it is.. Patton French Sep 2021 #50

I see no reason why we should approve a 1 trillion dollar give away... TheRealNorth Sep 2021 #61

Seriously, it has been posted here. That bill has good things in it...and we need roads and Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #76

"Democrats in disarray... sarisataka Sep 2021 #62

Democrats are not in disarray...I have said for a while now the reconciliation bill was in trouble. Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #79

Love ya Demsrule86 otherwise NewsCenter28 Sep 2021 #143

OK, so they put the so-called 'Bipartisan' bill up for a vote. House of Roberts Sep 2021 #68

I sincerely hope not or we will lose the House and Senate in the midterms and God help us in Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #82

Depends. Calista241 Sep 2021 #95

Huh. I think I'll wait and see before stillcool Sep 2021 #69

The CPC will kill the bipartisan bill if it comes to the floor before the reconciliation bill passes Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #77

And then we get nothing. I will never forgive any politician who votes agoinst this bill... Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #86

Pelosi won't bring the bill to the floor unless she has the votes, which she doesn't Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #91

If they kill the bipartisan bill whether, they vote on it or not...they are my list. And it is Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #109

It won't be the progressives who kill the bipartisan bill, only Manchin & Sinema can Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #123

The bipartisan bill has passed the Senate...nothing needs to be done on it...and if you mean that Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #136

The reconciliation bill is already being held hostage Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #139

I hope she has the votes...I can tell you...it is a disgrace to hold a bill hostage for any reason. Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #137

It's over. They'll probably blame the reconciliation bill failure on Inflation. n/t Calista241 Sep 2021 #88

And that will be that BradAllison Sep 2021 #133