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H2O Man

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Tue Oct 19, 2021, 10:08 AM Oct 2021

Incarcerate Steve Bannon [View all]

One of the most interesting and important discussions going on in this country has to do with if the Department of Justice will prosecute those ignoring subpoenas from the Congressional Committee investigating the January 6 insurrection. I was pleased to hear President Biden say that they will prosecute. This is a good thing, as prosecuting people like Steve Bannon is essential.

Yesterday, my little sister contacted me about this. She had read where some people were expressing doubt that Attorney General Merrick Garland would pursue the criminal referrals. She asked me about the process -- both the history and how it might unfold in the current situation. I said I wanted to look up some information on the history before the Committee votes on Tuesday to bring it to the full House.

A short time later, my little sister told me that she had read a "tweet" by Jill Wine-Banks that gave her confidence. I noted that Jill is brilliant, and always an important source of accurate information. While I've seen others express pretty much the same thing, I put a lot of trust in the Watergate Girl's opinion.

At the same time, I know that some in the media will try to add drama to what is happening, when no more drama need be added. A Department of Justice official says that the DOJ will evaluate any referral, and decide to either pursue it or not. In a very real sense, he was saying the correct thing -- a president should not influence DOJ policy on legal matters. Trump was correctly attacked for doing exactly that.

Apparently, Rep. Ted Lieu expressed some frustration that the DOJ and justice system is moving slowly on action against those defying subpoenas. But this is not a "controversy" that some media attempted to portray. It goes to the full House for a vote, before sending the referral to the DOJ. Steve Bannon's will be the first actual referral to the current DOJ. We all recognize that the Trump DOJ was corrupt, likely criminally so in several instances. But it's a different playing field for Bannon, with no Trump to pardon him.

Rep. Lieu discussed proposals to increase Congress's ability to enforce subpoenas without involving either of the other branches of the federal government. A person can agree or disagree with parts or all of the proposals he spoke of. In evaluating such things, one should keep in mind that there are both positive and negative potentials with such changes -- and with not changing.

Since the issue of people failing to honor their legal duty to appear before the committees that haved subpoenaed them during the last administration, and at the start of this one, it should concern all of us. As citizens who recognize that our opposition wants to deny us our rights -- starting with the right to vote and have all votes counted -- we should be informed about the process that begins to unfold tomorrow. I am sure that there are others here who are better informed than me, but I still wanted to share a link to a site I find helpful:

https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/RL34097.pdf

It is a report on by legislative attorney Todd Garvey, that provides a good amount of information. Garvey has served in that position in the American Law Division of the Congressional Research Division since 2009. I found some of the most important and interesting information started on page 34. Most of the past cases involve a conflict between Congress and the Executive branch, for only an administration can claim executive privilege.

The Biden administration is not attempting to cover-up for the Trump cult. Donald Trump has no legal status that allows for executive privilege. Steve Bannon was not part of the administration at the time in question. Not to mention that claims of executive privilege tend to admit that the January 6 insurrection was a White House operation.

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Incarcerate Steve Bannon [View all] H2O Man Oct 2021 OP
K&R spanone Oct 2021 #1
Thank you! H2O Man Oct 2021 #3
Thanks for the link! spanone Oct 2021 #10
Incinerate Steve Bannon Silent3 Oct 2021 #2
Much better! H2O Man Oct 2021 #5
Make sure you have a hazmat team in place first. iscooterliberally Oct 2021 #12
Yes Traildogbob Oct 2021 #31
expose him to sunlight DBoon Oct 2021 #20
Oooohhh, burn! lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #47
I misread it exactly this way at first caraher Oct 2021 #81
Great post malaise Oct 2021 #4
Thanks! H2O Man Oct 2021 #14
I love it Saoirse9 Oct 2021 #15
I hope this will give people hope Saoirse9 Oct 2021 #6
Good question. H2O Man Oct 2021 #16
Hasn't Bannon been in Europe and Brazil the past 18 months or so... IthinkThereforeIAM Oct 2021 #44
If (IF) he's under indictment, could his passport be flagged/pulled? lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #49
K&R onecaliberal Oct 2021 #7
Thank you! H2O Man Oct 2021 #19
He will probably get away with it ripcord Oct 2021 #8
Respectfully disagree. H2O Man Oct 2021 #23
Ha! Love your lol last sentence 😊 sheshe2 Oct 2021 #9
Thank you! H2O Man Oct 2021 #27
My dear H20 Man, thank you for your clear and necessary words on this subject! CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2021 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author empedocles Oct 2021 #13
WaterMan really has a gift malaise Oct 2021 #24
He also has H2O Man Oct 2021 #34
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! malaise Oct 2021 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Oct 2021 #36
Thank you! H2O Man Oct 2021 #33
A political trial can be a very complicated trial empedocles Oct 2021 #17
Absolutely! H2O Man Oct 2021 #37
My point, is about 'when' bannon gets prosecuted. empedocles Oct 2021 #39
WHAT ever the penalty for Insurrection YoshidaYui Oct 2021 #18
Yes!!! H2O Man Oct 2021 #38
Yup - no deal without major prison time. lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #51
If they do not incarcerate him, it tells me that they'll never hold trump accountable either. BComplex Oct 2021 #21
It frequently doesn't. H2O Man Oct 2021 #40
Your dad was spot on! BComplex Oct 2021 #54
Bannon is continuing to instigate an Insurrection by his most recent comments. Tommymac Oct 2021 #22
Thank you! H2O Man Oct 2021 #41
Without better explaination, I think this puts Garland in a very interesting position. PurgedVoter Oct 2021 #25
The House is voting H2O Man Oct 2021 #42
I really hope they lock him up until his trial, after all he has some rich friends Bev54 Oct 2021 #26
Great point! H2O Man Oct 2021 #43
Your last sentence is very insightful and true KS Toronado Oct 2021 #28
You know? H2O Man Oct 2021 #48
We all know he's going to jail for a long tiiiimmmmeeeeeee KS Toronado Oct 2021 #55
OK, I have to admit to a very dark thing just now... Moostache Oct 2021 #29
Ha! H2O Man Oct 2021 #50
They would like to make it about "executive privilege" rather than the attack upon our Capitol... kentuck Oct 2021 #30
Right! H2O Man Oct 2021 #52
Bannon must be held accountable. Pepsidog Oct 2021 #32
Definitely. H2O Man Oct 2021 #53
Yes, yes and yes. panader0 Oct 2021 #45
I hear you! H2O Man Oct 2021 #61
"claims of executive privilege tend to admit that the ... insurrection was a White House operation" lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #46
Right. H2O Man Oct 2021 #63
Well... ancianita Oct 2021 #70
Yes, exactly. H2O Man Oct 2021 #77
If Bannon is arrested and charged with a crime Mr.Bill Oct 2021 #56
Definitely! H2O Man Oct 2021 #64
He will be malaise Oct 2021 #65
I agree. H2O Man Oct 2021 #68
On this vote 9 ayes 0 nays! malaise Oct 2021 #71
Beautiful! H2O Man Oct 2021 #78
He will be malaise Oct 2021 #66
Thanks for this. I've just learned that the civil referral gets better, faster results than ancianita Oct 2021 #57
Right. H2O Man Oct 2021 #67
K&R Blue Owl Oct 2021 #58
Thanks! H2O Man Oct 2021 #69
As usual, I wait to read your post and then I know what to think about something FakeNoose Oct 2021 #59
Thank you! H2O Man Oct 2021 #72
What are Democrats waiting for?. Texaswitchy Oct 2021 #60
We all wish that H2O Man Oct 2021 #74
Benny Thompson speaking now malaise Oct 2021 #62
Thanks! H2O Man Oct 2021 #75
"executive privilege tend to admit that the January 6 insurrection was a White House operation" bucolic_frolic Oct 2021 #73
Seriously. H2O Man Oct 2021 #76
2020 wasn't a trial run. It was a Bannon Putsch. Kid Berwyn Oct 2021 #79
Exactly right. H2O Man Oct 2021 #80
Excellent observations, as always. argyl Oct 2021 #82
Thank you! H2O Man Oct 2021 #84
As long as folks know DownriverDem Oct 2021 #83
Right. H2O Man Oct 2021 #85
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