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Nevilledog

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Wed Oct 20, 2021, 12:16 PM Oct 2021

SCOOP: Manchin tells associates he's considering leaving the Democratic Party [View all]



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David Corn
@DavidCornDC
SCOOP: @Sen_JoeManchin has told associates that he is considering leaving the Democratic Party. And he already has an exit plan. Please read and RT.

SCOOP: Manchin tells associates he's considering leaving the Democratic Party and has an exit plan
He could pull the trigger if he doesn't get his way on the Build Back Better bill.
motherjones.com
10:12 AM · Oct 20, 2021


https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/10/senator-joe-manchin-democratic-party-exit-plan-biden-infrastructure-deal-exclusive/


In recent days, Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W. Va.) has told associates that he is considering leaving the Democratic Party if President Joe Biden and Democrats on Capitol Hill do not agree to his demand to cut the size of the social infrastructure bill from $3.5 trillion to $1.75 trillion, according to people who have heard Manchin discuss this. Manchin has said that if this were to happen, he would declare himself an “American Independent.” And he has devised a detailed exit strategy for his departure.

Manchin has been in the center of a wild rush of negotiations with his fellow Democrats and the White House over a possible compromise regarding Biden’s ambitious Build Back Better package, and Manchin’s opposition to key provisions—including Medicare and Medicaid expansion, an expanded child tax credit, and measures to address climate change—has been an obstacle that the Democrats have yet to overcome. As these talks have proceeded, Manchin has discussed bolting from the Democratic Party—perhaps to place pressure on Biden and Democrats in these negotiations.

He told associates that he has a two-step plan for exiting the party. First, he would send a letter to Sen. Chuck Schumer, the top Senate Democrat, removing himself from the Democratic leadership of the Senate. (He is vice chairman of the Senate Democrats’ policy and communications committee.) Manchin hopes that would send a signal. He would then wait and see if that move had any impact on the negotiations. After about a week, he said, he would change his voter registration from Democrat to independent.

It is unclear whether in this scenario Manchin would end up caucusing with the Democrats, which would allow them to continue to control the Senate, or side with the Republicans and place the Senate in GOP hands. In either event, he would hold great sway over this half of Congress.

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Cause Corgigal Oct 2021 #1
I hate to see MoscowMitch having the power to block all judicial appointments LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2021 #17
Because he caucuses with us, we get judges. Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #52
Which Manchin fully knows. wnylib Oct 2021 #63
Until and unless that happens we need Manchin. Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #102
this YoshidaYui Oct 2021 #84
He's already left the party. brush Oct 2021 #2
So you want MoscowMitch to be Senate Majority leader? LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2021 #4
I didn't say that. Manchin in effect has abandoned his own party's agenda... brush Oct 2021 #12
I care about judicial appointment LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2021 #14
And you think Manchin will go along with Biden's appointments? brush Oct 2021 #18
How many has he voted against? FBaggins Oct 2021 #22
Do you have support for this position LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2021 #34
Sorry - that wasn't as clear as it could have been. FBaggins Oct 2021 #39
18 judges now confirmed to lifetime federal judicial appointments. LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2021 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author FBaggins Oct 2021 #43
Yes he would... we are getting lower court judges everyday...very very important...I can't believe Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #58
He's been voting for Biden's judicial appointments so far. ShazzieB Oct 2021 #87
Hope so, but he sure seems to listing farther and farther right. brush Oct 2021 #93
He does. But from what I hear, he's been good on the judicial appointments. ShazzieB Oct 2021 #115
As long as he caucuses with the Democrats and gives us the majority that is not true. Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #103
That remains to be seen. He's leaning farther and farther right. brush Oct 2021 #114
No, he is exactly the same. He is not nor ever will Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #118
Sorry, I never understand your responses. What does this have to do... brush Oct 2021 #119
Do understand if he leaves our party and caucuses with the GOP, we lose our senate majority and all Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #55
Of course, no one wants that but it's Manchin's decision... brush Oct 2021 #62
As if becoming a Republican right now is a wise choice? When so many Republicans True Blue American Oct 2021 #74
I doubt Manchin cares about any voters other than the ones in WV that elected him to the Senate. ShazzieB Oct 2021 #86
Manchin said the rumor True Blue American Oct 2021 #91
Interesting! ShazzieB Oct 2021 #92
Thank God!!!! Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #104
On the Reidout, Corn is still sticking to his reporting LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2021 #112
I would hate to see MoscowMitch become Senate Majority leader LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2021 #3
Concerning H2Oart Oct 2021 #16
H2Oart Scarlet Begalas Oct 2021 #42
Exactly. ShazzieB Oct 2021 #81
not exactly a surprise. msfiddlestix Oct 2021 #5
he's got some problems agingdem Oct 2021 #37
that's my thinking too, so it occurs to me he has a plan for that outcome too msfiddlestix Oct 2021 #46
He's rich now... agingdem Oct 2021 #48
I do understand he and his family are wealthy... msfiddlestix Oct 2021 #50
True..but he does enjoy having his ass kissed... agingdem Oct 2021 #54
yeah, it's hard not to notice.. all the media attention he's getting msfiddlestix Oct 2021 #61
They want it all so Others can't have any. MarcA Oct 2021 #68
He's 75 fucking years old and worth something like $10 million . . . . hatrack Oct 2021 #99
yes and if he switches he loses that power... agingdem Oct 2021 #100
He left long ago. BannonsLiver Oct 2021 #6
Hmm... Mike Nelson Oct 2021 #7
JFC. He's a child. This would make it a lot harder to maintain control of the Senate. JoanofArgh Oct 2021 #8
The day he leaves the party we lose control of the Senate... Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #59
Yep. We can't allow that. The way to neutralize Manchin and Sinema is to elect more Democrats. JoanofArgh Oct 2021 #64
Well there it is folks, what everyone has suspected is now out in the open gohuskies Oct 2021 #9
lmaooooooooooo WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #10
Sabotage Biden agenda ... CHECK FalloutShelter Oct 2021 #11
This could be why the president was telegraphing such significant changes to BBB FBaggins Oct 2021 #13
I'm not buying this, at least not now. Bleacher Creature Oct 2021 #15
If he caucuses with the GOP he immediately becomes irrelevant renate Oct 2021 #28
If he caucuses with the GOP Dems lose the majority. GoodRaisin Oct 2021 #40
and he becomes McConnell's #51 and thus unnecessary to Mitch renate Oct 2021 #97
True. I misunderstood your comment then. GoodRaisin Oct 2021 #117
McConnell will give Manchin or Sinema anything...so no he won't be irrelevant. Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #60
Thats the way it is i thjnk bedazzled Oct 2021 #29
Yes, this exactly. GoCubsGo Oct 2021 #31
yes LymphocyteLover Oct 2021 #38
I don't see how he survives a republican primary. Salviati Oct 2021 #57
Republicans could easily guarantee that survival as part of a deal FBaggins Oct 2021 #67
According to the article, he plans to change his voter registration from Democrat to independent. ShazzieB Oct 2021 #90
And since Breyer didn't retire we have to give in no matter what dsc Oct 2021 #19
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2021 #20
Shocking, indeed dalton99a Oct 2021 #21
Hmm...I'm going to need some corroboration on this one. MineralMan Oct 2021 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Oct 2021 #24
Every damn day dweller Oct 2021 #25
DINO...mite!!!!! bye. Joe NewHendoLib Oct 2021 #26
Say goodbye to our majority and more judges...without him...we have no shot at any policy. Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #51
at some point one has to have principles NewHendoLib Oct 2021 #83
Handing the Senate to McTurtle on a silver platter would be much worse. ShazzieB Oct 2021 #88
there are a lot of ifs and unknowns in this Celerity Oct 2021 #27
Willing to burn down America so he can keep burning coal. dchill Oct 2021 #30
hope he just ended his jacked up career ? monkeyman1 Oct 2021 #32
Not for at least three years FBaggins Oct 2021 #35
What do you think Putin has on him? Reader Rabbit Oct 2021 #36
Russian money or something ! maybe that big boat , guess is good as mine ? monkeyman1 Oct 2021 #45
Really? TexasTowelie Oct 2021 #95
Biden is appointing judges faster than Trump, and most everyone else--for now LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2021 #41
How would he survive a Republican primary in his state? SunSeeker Oct 2021 #44
According to the article, he plans to change his voter registration from Democrat to independent. ShazzieB Oct 2021 #89
He's 74 now. He'll be 80 when he runs again. SunSeeker Oct 2021 #94
If this doesn't make Breyer retire now then shame on him Alhena Oct 2021 #47
Sounds like it's too late FBaggins Oct 2021 #69
Manchin has denied the rumor. Elessar Zappa Oct 2021 #85
I don't think he'll switch either - but I like him as a "thorn in our side" FBaggins Oct 2021 #108
Ultimately I agree that he's the best we can do in West Virginia. Elessar Zappa Oct 2021 #110
WTF? Joinfortmill Oct 2021 #49
Has been a fraudulent Dem for quite awhile. TNNurse Oct 2021 #53
No, he votes with us about 80 % of of the time...a GOP type never votes with us...we need the Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #105
Bought and paid for traitor. Scum. OverBurn Oct 2021 #56
At this point it's just a formality berni_mccoy Oct 2021 #65
We have the majority because of Manchin. I would never want Mitch back in charge. Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #106
Mitch is in charge berni_mccoy Oct 2021 #109
This has probably been in the works for a while. (n/t) Patton French Oct 2021 #66
I mentioned a fear of this a long time ago on DU mountain grammy Oct 2021 #70
But, but, but, Joe is a Democrat! 48656c6c6f20 Oct 2021 #71
Sounds like blackmail to me AZProgressive Oct 2021 #72
Yes! Me too. True Blue American Oct 2021 #75
Manchin denies story he's considering leaving Democratic Party ramblin_dave Oct 2021 #73
Take Sinema with you, please Sabuca Oct 2021 #76
Great than we can lose the majority by two Senators. Here is a question for you...where will Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #107
crybaby needs more attention TomDaisy Oct 2021 #77
Well that sucks!!!! Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2021 #78
Manchin says it is "BullS**t". Jon King Oct 2021 #79
Only because it went public... lame54 Oct 2021 #111
Rich White Guy Party! Makes perfect sense? czarjak Oct 2021 #80
Looks like Schumer will need to settle for $1.75 trillion and hopefully no less than that. jaxexpat Oct 2021 #82
The big problem is not so much the topline number (as 6 years at 2.1 trillion or 5 years at 1.75 Celerity Oct 2021 #101
Not true!!! Nt USALiberal Oct 2021 #96
He won't leave... Septua Oct 2021 #98
what an asshole Kali Oct 2021 #113
Roll on 2022... meadowlander Oct 2021 #116
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