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In reply to the discussion: The Squad defends infrastructure "no" vote, AOC fact-checks Biden claims [View all]Celerity
(43,251 posts)11. lol, no they didn't, they didn't block anything, it was symbolic protest vote, which happens all the
time.
Following your logic, every single one of the 14 Democratic Senators who voted against a waiver allowing Lloyd Austin to become Secretary of Defense also then
The waiver passed (69-27)
I never see the same claimed for Jared Golden, who has the lowest Biden score of ALL Democratic caucus members in either chamber
Among his multiple votes against Biden, Golden was one of only two Dems (the centrist conservative Ron Kind was the other) who voted against the George Floyd Justice in Policing Act (which passed 220-212)
What about Manchin?
He literally de facto blocked Neera Tanden's OMB head nomination when he publicly went on the record and said NO, he is opposing her officially
That was NOT symbolic, that directly caused Biden to withdraw her nomination after he could not find a Rethug Yes vote to count Manchin's 'No' stance.
and lastly
what about
the curtsy that helped kill off the $15/hr minimum wage
The last two, Manchin and Sinema, ARE actively against vast swathes of Biden's agenda, they have already, just on two of his major bills, ripped out $3.8 trillion (and counting, as that BBB is going to very likely getting shredded even more now that all leverage is gone) in new spend and vital, centrepiece whole Biden programmes
The same cannot be said of any of the progressives, who have been fighting for Biden's programmes for ages now, and have blocked nothing from passing at the end of the day.
Following your logic, every single one of the 14 Democratic Senators who voted against a waiver allowing Lloyd Austin to become Secretary of Defense also then
legitimized voting against any or all of the Biden Agenda
The waiver passed (69-27)
I never see the same claimed for Jared Golden, who has the lowest Biden score of ALL Democratic caucus members in either chamber
Among his multiple votes against Biden, Golden was one of only two Dems (the centrist conservative Ron Kind was the other) who voted against the George Floyd Justice in Policing Act (which passed 220-212)
What about Manchin?
He literally de facto blocked Neera Tanden's OMB head nomination when he publicly went on the record and said NO, he is opposing her officially
That was NOT symbolic, that directly caused Biden to withdraw her nomination after he could not find a Rethug Yes vote to count Manchin's 'No' stance.
and lastly
what about
the curtsy that helped kill off the $15/hr minimum wage
The last two, Manchin and Sinema, ARE actively against vast swathes of Biden's agenda, they have already, just on two of his major bills, ripped out $3.8 trillion (and counting, as that BBB is going to very likely getting shredded even more now that all leverage is gone) in new spend and vital, centrepiece whole Biden programmes
The same cannot be said of any of the progressives, who have been fighting for Biden's programmes for ages now, and have blocked nothing from passing at the end of the day.
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The Squad defends infrastructure "no" vote, AOC fact-checks Biden claims [View all]
In It to Win It
Nov 2021
OP
+1. Think that is true in a lot of votes. You really have to be aware of situation.
Hoyt
Nov 2021
#5
That doesn't help their case in my book. It instead demonstrates their opposition to BIF was cynical
tritsofme
Nov 2021
#12
I have an issue with her vote...but I have a bigger issue with her putting it out there that Biden
Demsrule86
Nov 2021
#15
I do not support their actions. AOC called the president a liar about the lead aspect of the bill.
Demsrule86
Nov 2021
#51
lol, no they didn't, they didn't block anything, it was symbolic protest vote, which happens all the
Celerity
Nov 2021
#11
When you have a go at all the other Senators and House reps and not just your personal targets,
Celerity
Nov 2021
#27
no, it is just that a certain group here goes after (and has since I joined in summer 2018)
Celerity
Nov 2021
#31
Manchin and Sinema have voted for all of Biden's legislation without exception and will IMHO
Demsrule86
Nov 2021
#44
that is spin and false framing in regards to actual real impacts and you know it
Celerity
Nov 2021
#57
Nobody talked much about them until they started to be the chief obstructionist disrupters
Celerity
Nov 2021
#58
But it's fine to promise Medicare for All, Green New Deal somehow solving climate change,
betsuni
Nov 2021
#17
How so? For the first time they were given the opportunity to vote on an actual infrastructure
Scrivener7
Nov 2021
#21
That is not true. Both Manchin and Sinema have voted for all legisation. Now we shall see what
Demsrule86
Nov 2021
#45
I am sick and tired of performative politics. That is not what they are there for
Walleye
Nov 2021
#22
Given one spokesperson saaid they would have voted for it had the order of the 2 votes changed
karynnj
Nov 2021
#40
Very weak argument - let's say for argument that it "only" replaced 50% of the lead pipes
karynnj
Nov 2021
#39
I am a progressive and believe much as you and AOC do. However, do not go against the
Demsrule86
Nov 2021
#49