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luv2fly

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63. None of us know what was going on behind the scenes

Tue Nov 9, 2021, 02:36 PM

Nov 2021

Nor do we know how needed their votes were. That they held out and don't trust some folks in the Senate to support their/Biden's agenda, well... hard to blame them given how things often work out. Hard for me at least, and many others.

Biden's agenda, which is much of Bernie's in a more moderate sort of way, has been championed by progressives all along, even as the money was cut from 6 trillion to 3 trillion to almost half of even that. I don't see the other two doing much beyond complaining and grandstanding.

When push came to shove, the numbers needed from the progressive caucus once again supported President Biden.

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The Squad defends infrastructure "no" vote, AOC fact-checks Biden claims [View all] In It to Win It Nov 2021 OP

She cast the vote BGBD Nov 2021 #1

I don't have a problem with their vote SCantiGOP Nov 2021 #2

The NY Times had the details in a story on exactly what Tomconroy Nov 2021 #3

+1. Think that is true in a lot of votes. You really have to be aware of situation. Hoyt Nov 2021 #5

That doesn't help their case in my book. It instead demonstrates their opposition to BIF was cynical tritsofme Nov 2021 #12

+1 betsuni Nov 2021 #13

I have an issue with her vote...but I have a bigger issue with her putting it out there that Biden Demsrule86 Nov 2021 #15

Yes, that jumped out at me PatSeg Nov 2021 #59

Thank You.. that's the point.. not Cha Nov 2021 #74

I agree Bettie Nov 2021 #42

Way back when if you voted against the New Deal... lame54 Nov 2021 #72

The Squad thought they had Manchin/Sinema type leverage. Sneederbunk Nov 2021 #4

they all like to call attention to themselves Skittles Nov 2021 #6

Yes. They don't understand that they didn't have the votes. Tomconroy Nov 2021 #18

They absolutely did understand exactly that jcgoldie Nov 2021 #34

Then why did they waste everyone's time for three months if Tomconroy Nov 2021 #36

Good question PatSeg Nov 2021 #61

The "squad" sure fizzled out leftstreet Nov 2021 #7

Ouch! PatSeg Nov 2021 #64

There is an image floating around that I can't reproduce. It's Tomconroy Nov 2021 #71

Whoa! PatSeg Nov 2021 #80

Good for AOC and the Squad. I support them and what they are fighting for. CentralMass Nov 2021 #8

I do not support their actions. AOC called the president a liar about the lead aspect of the bill. Demsrule86 Nov 2021 #51

ok, reality sets in, AOC needs to understand, "small steps" Shellback Squid Nov 2021 #9

This 👆 Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2021 #55

This PatSeg Nov 2021 #65

They just legitimized voting against any or all of the Biden Agenda tirebiter Nov 2021 #10

lol, no they didn't, they didn't block anything, it was symbolic protest vote, which happens all the Celerity Nov 2021 #11

I am so tired of these contrived symbolic votes, Sanders being a great fan of. LizBeth Nov 2021 #24

When you have a go at all the other Senators and House reps and not just your personal targets, Celerity Nov 2021 #27

Right back at you on the selective support. LizBeth Nov 2021 #28

no, it is just that a certain group here goes after (and has since I joined in summer 2018) Celerity Nov 2021 #31

Manchin and Sinema have voted for all of Biden's legislation without exception and will IMHO Demsrule86 Nov 2021 #44

that is spin and false framing in regards to actual real impacts and you know it Celerity Nov 2021 #57

Sinema and Manchin are trashed on this site on a daily basis iemanja Nov 2021 #50

Nobody talked much about them until they started to be the chief obstructionist disrupters Celerity Nov 2021 #58

Of course iemanja Nov 2021 #62

Exactly. And they've also put ideas into others heads that Nixie Nov 2021 #16

YEP WHITT Nov 2021 #14

But it's fine to promise Medicare for All, Green New Deal somehow solving climate change, betsuni Nov 2021 #17

Cori Bush got an email from me following this no vote Sherman A1 Nov 2021 #19

Progressives have done more to support Biden's agenda than those "other two" luv2fly Nov 2021 #20

How so? For the first time they were given the opportunity to vote on an actual infrastructure Scrivener7 Nov 2021 #21

None of us know what was going on behind the scenes luv2fly Nov 2021 #63

Except they didn't champion it when it came time to vote for it. Scrivener7 Nov 2021 #79

That is not true. Both Manchin and Sinema have voted for all legisation. Now we shall see what Demsrule86 Nov 2021 #45

They piss and moan and stomp their feet luv2fly Nov 2021 #66

I am sick and tired of performative politics. That is not what they are there for Walleye Nov 2021 #22

+1 LizBeth Nov 2021 #25

Same here PatSeg Nov 2021 #67

Good idea Walleye Nov 2021 #78

Same. The grandstanding and gaslighting needs to stop. nt Kahuna Nov 2021 #77

When it comes time to allocate this money Johonny Nov 2021 #23

I saw her cherry-picking defense, good sign that backlash is hurting. Hortensis Nov 2021 #26

They voted no ripcord Nov 2021 #29

That is it... Demsrule86 Nov 2021 #46

That sums it up well PatSeg Nov 2021 #68

Yep. It reminds me of how the Dems undermined Carter. nt Kahuna Nov 2021 #81

Was there anything in the bill targeting climate change? jalan48 Nov 2021 #30

Yes, tons: grid improvements, ev charging stations, r&d, and more mathematic Nov 2021 #35

Thanks! jalan48 Nov 2021 #37

In some ways, improving the grid might be the most impactful thing to do karynnj Nov 2021 #41

The Right is Going to Run Wild With This bikernks Nov 2021 #32

they voted their conscience after the bill was assured of passing. jcgoldie Nov 2021 #33

Their "conscience" sucks. mathematic Nov 2021 #38

My Sentiments, Exactly ProfessorGAC Nov 2021 #70

Given one spokesperson saaid they would have voted for it had the order of the 2 votes changed karynnj Nov 2021 #40

I absolutely disagree. I very angry about this. Demsrule86 Nov 2021 #47

ok jcgoldie Nov 2021 #54

Very weak argument - let's say for argument that it "only" replaced 50% of the lead pipes karynnj Nov 2021 #39

It's threads like this that make me feel unwelcome at DU. Politicub Nov 2021 #43

well said jcgoldie Nov 2021 #48

I am a progressive and believe much as you and AOC do. However, do not go against the Demsrule86 Nov 2021 #49

Timing and medium is everything. AOC should not have used Twitter Politicub Nov 2021 #52

Yes, that is how legislation is done in the real world PatSeg Nov 2021 #69

the majority of progressives voted for the bill iemanja Nov 2021 #53

Identify myself. Hogwash. Politicub Nov 2021 #56

Yet you appear to interpret iemanja Nov 2021 #60

Thanks for pointing that out.. Most of the Cha Nov 2021 #73

And many of "us" saw the continuing damage.... Happy Hoosier Nov 2021 #76

I find them to be so frustrating... Happy Hoosier Nov 2021 #75