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ShazzieB

(16,370 posts)
23. "Q: It's my choice to not get vaccinated. Why should I be penalised for this?"
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 06:14 PM
Dec 2021

A: Because your "choice" not to get vaccinated penalizes everyone around you and society as a whole, knucklehead.

"Thus, there is an argument from a human rights perspective for the freedom from harm caused by others, an equivalent argument for why it is illegal to drink and drive," it said.


I really like the analogy of drinking and driving as an individual choice that can cause a tremendous amount of harm to others. I think most people can understand that on some level. (Even drunks who decide to drive under the influence can understand it in theory; they just think it doesn't apply to them because they are delusional about how impaired they actually are.)

The concept of doing something for the collective good breaks down if people start to make decisions based only on their individual beliefs, it said.


Unfortunately, I think covid has made it painfully clear that the idea of doing something "for the public good" is a completely alien concept for way too many people. Futhermore, if someone has made it to adulthood without acquiring an understanding of that, educating them out of it is probably a lost cause in most cases.

The people who resist vaccination, like those who worship TFG are very literal minded and only see what's right in front of their faces. They don't understand statistics or probabiity, so the idea that they are "more likely" to get seriously ill, need hospital care, or even die means nothing to them. They can only understand direct cause and effect, and immediate repercussions, not theoretical ones. Since not every unvaxxed person gets covid and not every person who gets covid becomes catastrophically ill and/or dies, they simply assume that THEY won't be one of the ones who do. The possibility of infecting others and contributing to the spread of the disease is even more meaningless to them.

How the hell do you get through to people like that? Damned if I know.
Globally, more than five million people infected with Covid-19 have died, including 771 in Singapore Botany Dec 2021 #1
Can you imagine the outrage Diamond_Dog Dec 2021 #2
I find it amazing that by-and-large the "my body, my rights" crowd... Raster Dec 2021 #9
+1000! Rhiannon12866 Dec 2021 #30
We do that here. To everybody, vaccinated or not. Caliman73 Dec 2021 #10
Isn't SIngapore the place where you can be fined for spitting in public? yellowdogintexas Dec 2021 #17
Caned. You get caned for spitting on the ground. Caliman73 Dec 2021 #18
Unfortunately, they globally do it here, vaccinated or not. Gore1FL Dec 2021 #11
Since many people who have good health care coverage PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2021 #3
Why would that make it not work here? I don't follow your reasoning. KPN Dec 2021 #4
Because of our health care payment system, or lack there of. Caliman73 Dec 2021 #20
That's not so. The pandemic relief bills provide federal funding to cover KPN Dec 2021 #21
Did every single hospital get funding? Caliman73 Dec 2021 #22
Definitely Diamond_Dog Dec 2021 #5
The bills would be tremendously higher without health insurance coverage IronLionZion Dec 2021 #6
$40 shot vs $25,000 ICU bill... forgotmylogin Dec 2021 #7
Most health care plan has things they don't fully cover. Claustrum Dec 2021 #8
In the U.S. it would have to be the insurance companies who made this policy. Gore1FL Dec 2021 #12
A caller... IrishAfricanAmerican Dec 2021 #13
My wife DENVERPOPS Dec 2021 #28
The field hospitals should be staffed by anti-vaxxers only erronis Dec 2021 #32
Sounds good... IrishAfricanAmerican Dec 2021 #33
They are free to pay the medical bill. Personal responsibility as they like to say. Pepsidog Dec 2021 #14
"Q: It's my choice to not get vaccinated. Why should I be penalised for this?" soldierant Dec 2021 #15
Simple flow chart of culpability Moostache Dec 2021 #16
your body, your rights ? tell that to a woman . also u dont have the rights to make me sick and die AllaN01Bear Dec 2021 #19
"Q: It's my choice to not get vaccinated. Why should I be penalised for this?" ShazzieB Dec 2021 #23
A conservative relative said to me a few years ago Diamond_Dog Dec 2021 #24
How do you get through to people like that? calimary Dec 2021 #31
Health insurance providers might be a viable way to further twist anti-vax arms. BobTheSubgenius Dec 2021 #25
Put 'em up, Anti-vaxxers...... SergeStorms Dec 2021 #26
It is the Ron Paul response needed Dukkha Dec 2021 #27
And in the U.S. the government wouldn't have to do this dflprincess Dec 2021 #29
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