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intheflow

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54. I'm a librarian and would never cite such and old source.
Fri Feb 25, 2022, 02:51 PM
Feb 2022

Any poll results older than five years is grossly out of date. especially for a poll - which seeks to caption opinions of a moment, which is why polling in American politics is continuous. And given the complete clusterfuck of the last 5 years, I really wouldn't cite any source older than the last two years. This is that same kind of intellectual laziness that the MAGA crowd exhibits.

Consider this Pew poll from 2020 showing Ukrainian support for NATO rising almost 20 points from 2007 to 2019. The fact that the world has been disrupted by COVID in the years since 2019 means that they might have been moved to join NATO eventually, perhaps even by now, except they were dealing with the pandemic, accompanying economic and supply chain disruptions, and the Russian threat. It's entirely possible that they just didn't have the bandwidth as a nation to pursue NATO membership during COVID.

They aren't a member, but they were on track to become one AZSkiffyGeek Feb 2022 #1
✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ n/t msfiddlestix Feb 2022 #9
no, they were in negotiations to join NATO RussBLib Feb 2022 #2
That's misleading.... Happy Hoosier Feb 2022 #3
Very high poll numbers disagres with your position. The Jungle 1 Feb 2022 #7
2010 was 12 years ago... 4 years BEFORE CRIMEA. Happy Hoosier Feb 2022 #8
✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ n/t msfiddlestix Feb 2022 #10
Exactly Ukraine had 12 years to join NATO. The Jungle 1 Feb 2022 #13
Wow. Just... WOW. Happy Hoosier Feb 2022 #16
My narrative has not changed The Jungle 1 Feb 2022 #26
I'm talking about the "they had their chance" bullshit. Happy Hoosier Feb 2022 #28
Very surprised at the negative reaction of providing support for Biden The Jungle 1 Feb 2022 #32
You're repeatedly distorting the situation with NATO iemanja Feb 2022 #51
So don't read my stuff The Jungle 1 Feb 2022 #59
That isn't how you fight disinformation CrackityJones75 Feb 2022 #64
We see right through this...Biden has said he won't said troops...but you breathlessly announce why Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #52
So don't read my stuff The Jungle 1 Feb 2022 #58
If you think I am walking a thin line, report me. Happy Hoosier Feb 2022 #55
Good The Jungle 1 Feb 2022 #60
Biden's "moves" are well regarded in capitals around the planet and Hortensis Feb 2022 #20
No it isn't Doc Sportello Feb 2022 #15
2010!!!! Happy Hoosier Feb 2022 #18
Date doesn't make Pew a RW source Doc Sportello Feb 2022 #19
Way to miss the point. Happy Hoosier Feb 2022 #21
The point was Hav Feb 2022 #23
It is 12 years old...and not appropriate I don't care what the OP said...ridiculous. Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #50
I'm a librarian and would never cite such and old source. intheflow Feb 2022 #54
First, it's a poll from 2010 Hav Feb 2022 #22
Exactly. CrackityJones75 Feb 2022 #65
I think that Putin felt Dump/Manafort would help him install another Yanukovych texasfiddler Feb 2022 #4
but the responses have been good RussBLib Feb 2022 #5
Reminders The Jungle 1 Feb 2022 #6
So much had radically changed you're not taking into account democracy happened., please stop msfiddlestix Feb 2022 #11
I don't know how you make the leap that I am support putin. The Jungle 1 Feb 2022 #14
I understand NATO can't send troops to Ukraine msfiddlestix Feb 2022 #25
Agreed democracy did happen in Ukraine The Jungle 1 Feb 2022 #27
We are in agreement, especially supporting Biden;s efforts msfiddlestix Feb 2022 #63
Post removed Post removed Feb 2022 #12
You might want to review the rules of this site! The Jungle 1 Feb 2022 #17
Nice piece of Putin Propaganda. lagomorph777 Feb 2022 #24
Please support that position. The Jungle 1 Feb 2022 #29
My position is amply supported by ACTUAL FACTS and RECENT polls. lagomorph777 Feb 2022 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author lapucelle Feb 2022 #33
No support for NATO until russia took Crimea. The Jungle 1 Feb 2022 #36
Yes, people's opinion shifted after Putin attacked them from inside and from outside. lagomorph777 Feb 2022 #37
You should review the forum rules The Jungle 1 Feb 2022 #39
As should you. lagomorph777 Feb 2022 #40
That's incorrect. lapucelle Feb 2022 #42
Actually it does take years to join NATO. lapucelle Feb 2022 #31
"Where does that talking point come from?" lagomorph777 Feb 2022 #34
The dues part of the statement was a flip statement of no meaning. The Jungle 1 Feb 2022 #38
Was it a "flip statement of no meaning" when TFG kept bringing up dues when talking about NATO? lapucelle Feb 2022 #41
I really do not understand this push back. The Jungle 1 Feb 2022 #44
"I said fuck um they are not in NATO. lapucelle Feb 2022 #47
Yes, it is a Tucker Carlson talking point. Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #48
Wouldn't know I never listen to that asshat. The Jungle 1 Feb 2022 #49
Of course I don't listen to asshats like Tucker Carlson, lapucelle Feb 2022 #53
Please support your position that Ukraine did not want to pay NATO dues. lapucelle Feb 2022 #35
Ukraine can not join NATO for two reasons. marie999 Feb 2022 #43
I would love to hear more of your opinion. The Jungle 1 Feb 2022 #45
President Biden will not send troops to Ukraine. marie999 Feb 2022 #56
You have reasonable positions. Thanks The Jungle 1 Feb 2022 #57
Is there a particular reason why you link to Pravda for one of your earlier posts on Ukraine? lapucelle Feb 2022 #61
I think that is one of my earliest posts from Pravda. marie999 Feb 2022 #62
No one said anything about troops...by why the post? It does nothing but help Putin. Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #46
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