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NickB79

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25. I think he may use tactical nukes in Ukraine as he gets desperate, but not ICBM's
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 04:56 PM
Mar 2022

But he will be much more likely to launch ICBM's if NATO attacks Russia itself, as we would have to do to enforce a no-fly zone. Russian anti-aircraft missile batteries a hundred miles inside Russian territory would need to be hit, or our jets will be targeted over Ukraine.

And I draw a sharp line between the two types of nuclear threat. Human civilization isn't threatened by a few tactical nukes against Ukraine. Tactical nukes delivered by fighter-launched missiles like the Iskander against a non-NATO state won't trigger an automatic NATO counterstrike.

Civilization is most certainly is threatened if Putin feels his homeland is being physically invaded, and deploys the MAD solution with hundreds of megatons of warheads from subs and missile silos. That's a planetary death sentence.

The hyper sonic missles are scary. They could be here doc03 Mar 2022 #1
Reportedly, hypersonic speeds are attained on "re-entry". Eyeball_Kid Mar 2022 #8
Russian BS wanting to play with the big boys, all if those missiles are "hypersonic" uponit7771 Mar 2022 #38
We have a triad DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2022 #40
IMO: use of nukes by Putin will cause a worldwide reaction. Eyeball_Kid Mar 2022 #2
If he uses nukes NATO will have to get involed doc03 Mar 2022 #3
More fear mongering Calculating Mar 2022 #4
Read my editted OP. I want NATO more involved. bluewater Mar 2022 #9
Oh Calculating Mar 2022 #11
Totally understandable. bluewater Mar 2022 #12
Nuclear weapons rso Mar 2022 #5
Putins like an abusive husband I_UndergroundPanther Mar 2022 #35
THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 Text book this uponit7771 Mar 2022 #39
So we avoided the nuclear goal post because 48656c6c6f20 Mar 2022 #6
I think it's more a matter of NATO thinking there were goalposts when there aren't. bluewater Mar 2022 #10
"Good morning, Mr Phelps. The man in the picture is... dchill Mar 2022 #7
A use of nuclear weapons would get ALL nations in on sanctions NickB79 Mar 2022 #13
So you think NO-Fly Zones should just be implemented now and NATO troops sent in? bluewater Mar 2022 #15
No. NickB79 Mar 2022 #19
"It would be the dumbest thing Putin could do, turning Russia into a completely isolated nation." bluewater Mar 2022 #20
I think he may use tactical nukes in Ukraine as he gets desperate, but not ICBM's NickB79 Mar 2022 #25
Good Points bluewater Mar 2022 #28
Abusers can I_UndergroundPanther Mar 2022 #36
In your opinion, what would Putin do if NATO implemented a No-Fly Zone? bluewater Mar 2022 #41
All 3 scenarios I wrote in my post apply I_UndergroundPanther Mar 2022 #45
Not isolated, terminated as a nation. Chainfire Mar 2022 #16
And how would that be accomplished? bluewater Mar 2022 #18
If he starts a nuclear war, there may not be many pieces to have to pick up. Chainfire Mar 2022 #21
"Do you really think that Russia can not be defeated by the rest of the world?" It would be a "draw" bluewater Mar 2022 #23
The winners would be the former third world nations Calculating Mar 2022 #34
But you know I_UndergroundPanther Mar 2022 #37
If Putin detonates, even a small nuclear device on the people or army of Ukraine. Chainfire Mar 2022 #14
The article makes clear that Russia thinks it can "finesse" the use of nukes... bluewater Mar 2022 #17
I believe NATO has a response planned BlueIdaho Mar 2022 #32
NATO won't become involved in Ukraine. David__77 Mar 2022 #22
I see it far more likely Putler will use chemical weapons before nuclear ones. roamer65 Mar 2022 #24
And what do you see the US and NATO response being to the use of chemical weapons? bluewater Mar 2022 #27
A no fly zone would be my guess. roamer65 Mar 2022 #29
There are times like now that writers should keep their mouth shut. William Broad is an example. nt LiberalFighter Mar 2022 #26
No paywall link to NYT article in case anyone needs it intrepidity Mar 2022 #30
Thanks! bluewater Mar 2022 #31
There is no way to know what he is going to do for sure Meowmee Mar 2022 #33
I'm damned tired of it. EndlessWire Mar 2022 #42
Yes it is a terrible, terrible situation, exhausting. Meowmee Mar 2022 #44
He needs to have one of those small tactical nukes shoved up his ass and detonated. That's all. Crunchy Frog Mar 2022 #43
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