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121. They were using this as their justification
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 01:57 PM
Jun 2022
12th Amendment

Amendment XII

The electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;--The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;--the person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President. The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxii



3 U.S. Code § 15 - Counting electoral votes in Congress

U.S. Code

Congress shall be in session on the sixth day of January succeeding every meeting of the electors. The Senate and House of Representatives shall meet in the Hall of the House of Representatives at the hour of 1 o’clock in the afternoon on that day, and the President of the Senate shall be their presiding officer. Two tellers shall be previously appointed on the part of the Senate and two on the part of the House of Representatives, to whom shall be handed, as they are opened by the President of the Senate, all the certificates and papers purporting to be certificates of the electoral votes, which certificates and papers shall be opened, presented, and acted upon in the alphabetical order of the States, beginning with the letter A; and said tellers, having then read the same in the presence and hearing of the two Houses, shall make a list of the votes as they shall appear from the said certificates; and the votes having been ascertained and counted according to the rules in this subchapter provided, the result of the same shall be delivered to the President of the Senate, who shall thereupon announce the state of the vote, which announcement shall be deemed a sufficient declaration of the persons, if any, elected President and Vice President of the United States, and, together with a list of the votes, be entered on the Journals of the two Houses. Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any. Every objection shall be made in writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof, and shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member of the House of Representatives before the same shall be received. When all objections so made to any vote or paper from a State shall have been received and read, the Senate shall thereupon withdraw, and such objections shall be submitted to the Senate for its decision; and the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, in like manner, submit such objections to the House of Representatives for its decision; and no electoral vote or votes from any State which shall have been regularly given by electors whose appointment has been lawfully certified to according to section 6 of this title from which but one return has been received shall be rejected, but the two Houses concurrently may reject the vote or votes when they agree that such vote or votes have not been so regularly given by electors whose appointment has been so certified. If more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State shall have been received by the President of the Senate, those votes, and those only, shall be counted which shall have been regularly given by the electors who are shown by the determination mentioned in section 5 of this title to have been appointed, if the determination in said section provided for shall have been made, or by such successors or substitutes, in case of a vacancy in the board of electors so ascertained, as have been appointed to fill such vacancy in the mode provided by the laws of the State; but in case there shall arise the question which of two or more of such State authorities determining what electors have been appointed, as mentioned in section 5 of this title, is the lawful tribunal of such State, the votes regularly given of those electors, and those only, of such State shall be counted whose title as electors the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide is supported by the decision of such State so authorized by its law; and in such case of more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State, if there shall have been no such determination of the question in the State aforesaid, then those votes, and those only, shall be counted which the two Houses shall concurrently decide were cast by lawful electors appointed in accordance with the laws of the State, unless the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide such votes not to be the lawful votes of the legally appointed electors of such State. But if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes, then, and in that case, the votes of the electors whose appointment shall have been certified by the executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted. When the two Houses have voted, they shall immediately again meet, and the presiding officer shall then announce the decision of the questions submitted. No votes or papers from any other State shall be acted upon until the objections previously made to the votes or papers from any State shall have been finally disposed of.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 644, 62 Stat. 675.)

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/3/15


(above codified from the Electoral Count Act of 1877 here - https://govtrackus.s3.amazonaws.com/legislink/pdf/stat/24/STATUTE-24-Pg373.pdf (PDF))
Is it delayed? bluecollar2 Jun 2022 #1
The schedule I saw this morning said 1. (I tuned in this morning Scrivener7 Jun 2022 #7
1 PM today Marthe48 Jun 2022 #8
It was always scheduled for 1pm ET as far as I know. MLAA Jun 2022 #25
Should be some fireworks. Glad to share this experience livetohike Jun 2022 #2
Ready, someone please pop the popcorn! Emile Jun 2022 #3
I'm here Ohio Joe Jun 2022 #4
I am glad we have a Thread .. FarPoint Jun 2022 #5
I'm here BumRushDaShow Jun 2022 #6
I did the same. Scrivener7 Jun 2022 #9
I think the org schedule was more of a guideline Marthe48 Jun 2022 #10
I always check on the CSPAN website since they are controlling the cameras BumRushDaShow Jun 2022 #39
one of my friends posted the org sched Marthe48 Jun 2022 #86
I'm watching on youtube, Washington Post - 53k watching right now Ohio Joe Jun 2022 #11
Thanks for the link! Watching on CNN on my Roku, but they usually only Scrivener7 Jun 2022 #16
Andrea Mitchell cilla4progress Jun 2022 #12
I disagree. There are enough other people there who make up for whatever deficiencies JohnSJ Jun 2022 #19
Correct, plus just maybe she's a Repub draw for those viewers who need to watch. txwhitedove Jun 2022 #35
Good point. crickets Jun 2022 #44
Here they come! Scrivener7 Jun 2022 #13
Yes. He's calm and steady, and I appreciate that about him. nt crickets Jun 2022 #17
I was thinking the very same thing. MLAA Jun 2022 #41
And the gavel: nolabear Jun 2022 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Marthe48 Jun 2022 #15
Thompson" We are fortunate for Pence's courage on January 6 livetohike Jun 2022 #18
A good move in my view. I don't think it will happen, but it might motivate Pence to testify. JohnSJ Jun 2022 #22
Wouldn't it be great if it motivated him to run in 24? Scrivener7 Jun 2022 #27
I think he will run in the Republican primaries. The only thing I don't want is to see DeSantis JohnSJ Jun 2022 #48
Video of Mike Pence saying he had no right to livetohike Jun 2022 #20
Wonkette live blog: crickets Jun 2022 #21
Nice! Scrivener7 Jun 2022 #23
Thank goodness everybody hates Pence. nolabear Jun 2022 #24
He has the cardinal sin in todays politics. He's BORING. Funtatlaguy Jun 2022 #26
He's an uptight dolt. maxsolomon Jun 2022 #119
Cheney "VP Pence did his duty on Jan 6. Pres. Trump livetohike Jun 2022 #28
Thank you, Sriv! Live video, if people here want to toggle back and forth. ancianita Jun 2022 #29
. Scrivener7 Jun 2022 #30
Marc Short video testimony: Eastman knew on Jan. 4 refusing to count electoral votes was illegal Mersky Jun 2022 #31
Showing video of gallows and crowd yelling, "Hang Mike Pence." Scrivener7 Jun 2022 #32
Showed video of insurrectionists shouting "Hang Mike livetohike Jun 2022 #33
Boy that shot of the dome and the noise is chilling. nolabear Jun 2022 #34
Do we know whether the Congress and Pence could livetohike Jun 2022 #36
I meant noose but that's a good question. I don't know. nolabear Jun 2022 #45
Thanks! n/t livetohike Jun 2022 #58
Swearing in witnesses Luttig and Greg Jacobs Scrivener7 Jun 2022 #37
Thompson reviewing everything Trump tried to do to livetohike Jun 2022 #38
Anyone scanning that code on MSNBC? nolabear Jun 2022 #40
Again, the witnesses are going to be Republicans, conservative Republicans no less. crickets Jun 2022 #42
Pence's guy Jacob is testifying now Lars39 Jun 2022 #43
Greg Jacob testifying in person now Mersky Jun 2022 #46
Jacob: "December 7th" first hearing about this looney 12 Amendment theory BumRushDaShow Jun 2022 #47
Jacob makes sense but I don't trust him. nolabear Jun 2022 #49
Not sure I love them putting it into the record that the Constitutional Scrivener7 Jun 2022 #50
Judge Luttig testifying now Lars39 Jun 2022 #51
Luttig looks like he's about to keel over. nolabear Jun 2022 #52
Has he been sedated? Geez. Funtatlaguy Jun 2022 #53
Many are observing the same. Liz says "solemn attention." nolabear Jun 2022 #69
Judge Luttig "The foundational truth is the Rule of Law". It is livetohike Jun 2022 #54
I think Judge Luttig has a resemblance to William Shatner JohnSJ Jun 2022 #55
Spacing out, killing time Lars39 Jun 2022 #57
It's killing me listening to him spinbaby Jun 2022 #63
He eventually got there! Lars39 Jun 2022 #67
Exactly, he is being very careful with his chosen words, because this is a very significant JohnSJ Jun 2022 #111
He does! n/t livetohike Jun 2022 #60
He does seem to be doing a lot of thinking about his words before saying them. crickets Jun 2022 #65
Jacob makes strong point that the framers of the Constitution would never crickets Jun 2022 #56
I guess.............. it's good ...................... to be............................. Scrivener7 Jun 2022 #59
He is William Shatner's long lost brother Ohio Joe Jun 2022 #68
Federal Judge Luttig ... makes... you... listen. Profound indeed. txwhitedove Jun 2022 #70
"The first constitutional crisis since the beginning of the Republic" ONLY thing he didn't repeat. ancianita Jun 2022 #72
TFG is going to lose it LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2022 #61
Then he should come before the committee and defend livetohike Jun 2022 #66
He really hasn't a clue how government works, does he? Scrivener7 Jun 2022 #75
By that, he means getting to speak ReluctanceTango Jun 2022 #127
I feel like one of us is stoned Sympthsical Jun 2022 #62
I know, he was being extra careful with his words. Emile Jun 2022 #73
I'm wondering if he has a stammer. nt crickets Jun 2022 #76
He's nervous Mersky Jun 2022 #95
+1 crickets Jun 2022 #101
Tantamount to a revolution within... Lars39 Jun 2022 #64
... a constitutional crisis Mersky Jun 2022 #80
Whoa! "It would have thrown the United States into what I believe Scrivener7 Jun 2022 #71
He looks like he hates saying it but has to. nolabear Jun 2022 #78
J6 Committee giving master class in civics, citizenship, law, news and TRUTH. txwhitedove Jun 2022 #82
Agreed! Luttig also submitted a written statement to the committee. crickets Jun 2022 #87
Cheney talking about "two groups of electors" slated livetohike Jun 2022 #74
I think he spoke like that (unless he always does...) cilla4progress Jun 2022 #77
Luttig does appear genuinely upset by what happened Jan 6 crickets Jun 2022 #92
Can Judge Luttig please slow down? I can't keep track Bucky Jun 2022 #79
Oh lordy, he's going in for a 2nd answer Bucky Jun 2022 #85
"In other words... It was a lie" Ohio Joe Jun 2022 #81
Cheney asking Judge Luttig if fake electors had any livetohike Jun 2022 #83
Judge Luttig: No historical precedent to support the livetohike Jun 2022 #89
The whole concept of the fake electors is so dopey. These guys are Scrivener7 Jun 2022 #84
They were using this as their justification BumRushDaShow Jun 2022 #121
No. Their justification was, "We don't want to have lost." But they couldn't Scrivener7 Jun 2022 #122
Well that was the simplified ACTUAL intent BumRushDaShow Jun 2022 #124
Like nasty spoiled children. Scrivener7 Jun 2022 #125
... and arrogant brainwashed loons. BumRushDaShow Jun 2022 #126
No historical precedent Lars39 Jun 2022 #88
No "mere" or legal precedent. Not even a passing acquaintance with precedent. txwhitedove Jun 2022 #109
That......mfer...........is going.............down nolabear Jun 2022 #90
Aguilar, John Wood questioning now Lars39 Jun 2022 #91
SNL oswaldactedalone Jun 2022 #93
You betcha. Funtatlaguy Jun 2022 #96
Summer hiatus maxsolomon Jun 2022 #123
This guy is on FIRE! Sedona Jun 2022 #94
I just spit out my water. Perfect! Funtatlaguy Jun 2022 #100
Is the judge being paid by the hour? Imperialism Inc. Jun 2022 #97
It is painful. I hope it still resonates what he's saying...but... Funtatlaguy Jun 2022 #110
Wood got tired and just read his words for him. nolabear Jun 2022 #98
No basis in the Constitution for the theory espoused by a Eastman. livetohike Jun 2022 #99
There was a huge build up around this judge. badhair77 Jun 2022 #102
He's a better writer than a speaker C_U_L8R Jun 2022 #103
Very true. badhair77 Jun 2022 #104
But what he's saying is important and damning if slow. nolabear Jun 2022 #105
Yes. rownesheck Jun 2022 #112
By the time he gets to the end of a sentence, I've forgotten Totally Tunsie Jun 2022 #117
Oh good! He's disagreeing with Jacobs saying the Constitution is "inartful" Scrivener7 Jun 2022 #106
Luttig is now explaining his Sept. 22, 2021 tweet/analysis refuting Eastman's scheme Mersky Jun 2022 #107
"The sacred process of the counting of the electoral votes livetohike Jun 2022 #108
**** LET'S GO TO THREAD #2 . HERE'S THE LINK: **** Scrivener7 Jun 2022 #113
I'm glad he's speaking slowly and deliberately. More time to absorb livetohike Jun 2022 #114
Luttig is making it pellucidly clear Novara Jun 2022 #115
Luttig: President of the Senate, on Jan 6 the VP of the US has crickets Jun 2022 #116
**** LET'S GO TO THREAD #2 . HERE'S THE LINK: **** Scrivener7 Jun 2022 #118
arrest trump and his lackeys moonshinegnomie Jun 2022 #120
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