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Bernardo de La Paz

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9. Sure. Emphasis on "seems". But I think it is other than "shielding from Fox and hysterics"
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 11:06 AM
Nov 2022

I say time will tell, but a hypothesis (and that is all that Pierce and you and I have -- hypotheses) is that considering what is left after the passage of time is important to Garland. And I'm not referring to reputation.

I think that Garland and Biden are such honorable persons that they are taking the time to do the right thing and taking the slings and arrows while being patient. I think they may have (my hypothesis) the long view that I try to find and retain.

Now, and before, a powerful case can be made for moving indictments forward at breakneck speed, given that democracy remains in peril, even if Pelosi's leadership has reduced that level of peril on multiple occasions.

But while not quite being burn the village to save it there would leave too much smoke in the air.

I think the slow but RELENTLESS approach is what is needed. Tightening the vise crushing the authoritarians without letup and no escape.

Democracy is best defended by very deliberate and carefully considered systems, techniques and approaches, like the US Constitution was and is. It has lasted because the writers and signers spent a lot of time and effort leading up to and during the process. They were very deliberate about what they did. They "deliberated" a lot, literally. They did not write it before the Declaration or even a year or two after. And yes there were an attempt or two at prior documents.

The counter to the case for haste in indictments is that success rates count.

The more convictions there are the better. And the greater the ratio of convictions to indictments the better. Ultimately indictments don't matter once they begin to be processed. It's the outcome that is the true measure.

Democracy will endure longer the stronger it is built and that includes the hard work of maintaining it by convicting plotters, insurrectionists, corrupt politicians, careless idiots, and fascists alike.

The Special Counsel and especially THIS Special Counsel insulate the process to a great degree from the falsification by Republicans about the motives, facts, and law. It is further evidence that Biden and Garland want to rivet shut an airtight case so that the corrosive effects of the tRump era and the runup to it are fully reversed and thereby prevented for a very long time.

When future civics and history teachers explain to classes, it will be crystal clear if all the facts and law have been tested multiple times in court and found true and correct, without smoke in the air.

I can only do so much happy talk. Irish_Dem Nov 2022 #1
Agreed. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #2
thank you. barbtries Nov 2022 #29
:) Data based? Yeah, but how "data based" are the emotional responses Hortensis Nov 2022 #56
So well said. K&R. n/t OneGrassRoot Nov 2022 #3
Thank you, you are kind. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #10
Seems like Trump is really pissed. That's good enough for me Walleye Nov 2022 #4
The Problem, Sir, Has Been Put Very Well By Mr. Charles Pierce.... The Magistrate Nov 2022 #5
Pierce deserves respect, but I think Garland was required to appoint a Special Counsel. Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2022 #8
To the second point, quite right. Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #14
Please link to where the DOJ former9thward Nov 2022 #25
It can be inferred by the DOJ policy that requires the appointment of an SC in such circumsances. Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #37
You are creating that out of thin air. former9thward Nov 2022 #41
Quite to the contrary. Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #45
Nope. former9thward Nov 2022 #47
The "circumstances" have changed due to announcements by TBL and indications Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #52
Garland undoubtedly has determined, but would not say if he has. He has not said tRump is cleared Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #53
They can't because there is no link. Nothing but opinions. Autumn Nov 2022 #72
Sure. Emphasis on "seems". But I think it is other than "shielding from Fox and hysterics" Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #9
You could have said the exact same thing about Robert Mueller's investigation. Yavin4 Nov 2022 #20
Barr barred Mueller from indicting tRump then Congress (Republicans) didn't do their job Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #22
Has the complete Mueller Report ever been released? Since that POS Barr left? Autumn Nov 2022 #26
One really wonders why that wasn't released immediately. FoxNewsSucks Nov 2022 #34
Was it ever released? If it was I missed it. Autumn Nov 2022 #36
It wasn't. Only the Barr-censored version has been seen. FoxNewsSucks Nov 2022 #44
Which means to me the DOJ is protecting Barr and his cover-up of Trump. Autumn Nov 2022 #51
Means to me DoJ is protecting ONGOING investigation of tRump Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #55
Obviously you and I see very different things. Appearing before the Jan 6 committee Autumn Nov 2022 #59
Yes, there is much more than the J6 committee; J6 committee has nothing to do with this thread Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #64
Bill Barr was too smart to do anything illegal. Remember, he resigned BEFORE Jan 6 Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #65
Nothing has changed about that SOB since IC. He got away with his shit then and it looks to me Autumn Nov 2022 #66
The leading hypothesis is that it contains info about ongoing investigations Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #48
It Is Not Just In Comedy, Sir, That Timing Is Everything The Magistrate Nov 2022 #40
Yes. Hence my reasoning that it is not about evading shrieks of 'partisan witch-hunt'. . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #46
We Shall See, Sir The Magistrate Nov 2022 #49
We have no other option but waiting. Garland is immune to social media / talking head noise Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #50
It seems like a reactive move, not a proactive one Blues Heron Nov 2022 #6
I agree with your post prodigitalson Nov 2022 #7
Good point. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #11
keep in mind he is likely fighting a rear guard battle against the left behind. mopinko Nov 2022 #12
Whatever Garland is doing to keep a clean, tight, house is working. We hear nothing Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #15
i didnt. he's getting it done, but it has to be an extreme distraction. mopinko Nov 2022 #19
This is the most complex criminal investigation in history. Thunderbeast Nov 2022 #13
+1. All of it. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #16
I've never understood the need to control people 48656c6c6f20 Nov 2022 #17
There is a small contingent of those who partake in this kind of behavior here: demmiblue Nov 2022 #18
Definitely. And as a mess-maker, they seem to like following me around. FoxNewsSucks Nov 2022 #33
What are you referring to? There is no issue of control in this thread. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #23
This isn't the only thread there is on this issue. Autumn Nov 2022 #24
Sure. I'm not responsible for other threads, nor do I have any "control". . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #31
LOL. Not for lack of trying. Orrex Nov 2022 #70
THANK YOU Skittles Nov 2022 #71
After the Robert Mueller experience, I do not have faith that our justice system will ever prosecute Yavin4 Nov 2022 #21
You got mad because people dismissed wildly speculative fan fiction Sympthsical Nov 2022 #27
That is not what prompted this thread. Fitzmas was a lack of indictment. Speakership is different.nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #28
I'm not mad. Wasn't the OP clear enough for you that I was advising an even keel? Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #30
Slapping hands for not believing in a ridiculous cloud castle isn't an even keel Sympthsical Nov 2022 #38
This thread is not about that thread. I don't know why I have to repeat that. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #42
TYVM, Bernardo Hekate Nov 2022 #32
YAVWHA Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #35
You made me laugh -- I guess I deserved that, whatever it was. Thank you very much.... Hekate Nov 2022 #39
You Are Very Welcome Hekate Also Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #43
K&R MustLoveBeagles Nov 2022 #54
:) Good post. Cooler, calmer eyes tend to come with age and experience. Hortensis Nov 2022 #57
Thanks. Positivists live longer and (or because) they enjoy life more Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #61
We're lucky to have people so eager to tell us how to think and react Orrex Nov 2022 #58
Fitzmas brings me back! intheflow Nov 2022 #60
Thank you! . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #63
In the footrace between due process and those that are criming Mr. Ected Nov 2022 #62
What's this thread about? What's Fitzmas? nt LAS14 Nov 2022 #67
From the "gift" of indictments that prosecutor Fitzgerald was highly anticipated to deliver Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #68
Thanks. The depth of DU historical knowledge never ceases to impress. nt LAS14 Nov 2022 #69
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