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Response to former9thward (Reply #13)

Fri Dec 2, 2022, 12:17 PM

14. Thank you for the laughs

I have been active in politics/voter protection for a long time and was a Clinton delegate to the 2016 Convention. We were expecting a floor fight on a number of issues and the Clinton campaign had a "whipping infrastructure" in place. Luckily these floor fights were avoided but it was my whip who warned me about the planned stunts by the Sanders delegates to boo John Lewis, Elijah Cummings and others and who informed me that Nina Turner had been blocked from speaking at the convention. It is clear that you do not understand how the convention process works in the real world.

I was involved in a Texas democratic party credentials fight for my county delegates urged by the Clinton campaign. Two days before the Texas convention, Hillary Clinton conceded to President Biden and the Clinton campaign withdrew the credential challenge. The Texas Two-Step resulted in Senator Clinton winning the primary but President Obama getting the most delegates because the Obama team trained the caucus attendees as to how to maximize results in the caucus. The Obama campaign brought trainers from the Iowa caucuses to train Obama supporters in ways to game the caucus process. I attended one of these trainings and organized my local county convention. Caucuses can be gamed.

The key is that after Senator Clinton conceded, these credentials contests were moot. My middle child was a chaperone for a group of high school kids who attended the Denver convention. She remembers this fight and it was clear that there were a number of steps taken at the convention to strengthen party unity. My middle child got to watch President Obama give his acceptance speech with the high students being chaperoned.

Both Florida and Michigan each had all of their delegates stripped and later they were awarded only half delegates. https://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/01/us/politics/01rules.html

To jeers and boos that showcased deep party divisions, Democratic Party officials agreed Saturday to seat delegates from the disputed Florida and Michigan primaries at the partyís convention in August but give them only half a vote each, dealing a setback to Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.

The agreement, reached by the rules committee of the Democratic National Committee behind closed doors and voted on publicly before a raucous audience of supporters of the two candidates, would give Mrs. Clinton a net gain of 24 delegates over Senator Barack Obama. But this fell far short of her hopes of winning the full votes of both delegations and moved the nomination further out of her reach.

She now lags behind Mr. Obama by about 176 delegates, according to The New York Timesís tally, in the final weekend of campaigning before the nominating contests end.

Mrs. Clinton, who led the voting in the Michigan and Florida contests, which were held in defiance of party rules, picked up 19 delegates more than Mr. Obama in Florida and 5 delegates more than Mr. Obama in Michigan.

At the Convention and after Senator Clinton had conceded the full voting rights may have been restored because the votes of the delegates no longer made a difference. This was a move for party unity and does NOT negate the fact that the DNC had the full power to punish a state who violates DNC rules. Again, you are WRONG in your claims.

The key issue is that the DNC can strip New Hampshire of its delegates if New Hampshire holds an early primary in violation of the then current DNC rules.

Attending a national convention can be an amazing experience. The 2016 Convention was not fun other than the chance to meet John Lewis and others at events. My youngest child got a guest pass for the first night and got to hear Michelle Obama speak which was amazing.

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