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Martin Eden

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39. If I understand you correctly

Mon Dec 12, 2022, 08:58 PM

Dec 2022

You are suggesting preemptive violence may be necessary and therefore justified to prevent others from "destroying us."

In practical terms it is necessary to define exactly what "destroying us" means and what specific violent actions need to be taken against which individuals to stop that from happening.

We should also be aware there are thousands if not millions of heavily armed righting yahoos who fantasize about using their 2A joysticks against people they've been conditioned to hate.

And they won't be very judicious in selecting their targets. Escalation of violence in the civil war they have been itching for would claim many innocent lives.

Ultimately, "justify" means that which truly achieves justice.

The scenario I envision ensuing from preemptive violence on our part would inflict horrible injustice far outside the realm of our original intent.

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I do not know how long this post will last. It is intended not to advocate violence, but to [View all] Atticus Dec 2022 OP

For the use of force I believe in the "clear and present danger" requirement Walleye Dec 2022 #1

i agree... samnsara Dec 2022 #2

Every precaution should be taken to defend yourself... kentuck Dec 2022 #3

Starting with a "clear understanding" of the "self" that one is defending sanatanadharma Dec 2022 #8

I read Alan Watts in the late 60's including "The Book on the Taboo Against panader0 Dec 2022 #13

Check out the other thread regarding the paradox of intolerance. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2022 #4

Thank you. nt Atticus Dec 2022 #11

Thanks for the meme & article link KS Toronado Dec 2022 #34

Tolerance extends to all actions that do not hurt others or the community Mysterian Dec 2022 #5

If we had a fully functioning judicial/law enforcement system, you wouldn't have to pose that... Probatim Dec 2022 #6

+1 CrispyQ Dec 2022 #7

+1, could you imagine if Muslims were acting like MAGA acts right now? There would be mass ... uponit7771 Dec 2022 #14

The same would have been true if Muslims/POC raided the Capitol on 1/6. Probatim Dec 2022 #17

I think your post is the answer. We have the laws that should keep intolerance in check, but Scrivener7 Dec 2022 #21

+1 n/t area51 Dec 2022 #25

I had a good neighborhood in the countryside. Tetrachloride Dec 2022 #9

Atticus, I'm hoping the thread stays up, too, because it's something I've wondered a lot about BComplex Dec 2022 #10

K&R, isn't it against the law to threaten someone with violence? Thx in advance uponit7771 Dec 2022 #12

The Germans apparently know how to deal with it. Firestorm49 Dec 2022 #15

A great man once said nightwing1240 Dec 2022 #16

Arjuna was faced with the problem of his family and loved ones dying sanatanadharma Dec 2022 #19

it certainly is not nightwing1240 Dec 2022 #35

If I would have to kill to live, I would rather die than living with the knowledge I took someones Atticus Dec 2022 #22

Forget ones self for a moment. Prairie_Seagull Dec 2022 #28

Often also natural to save one's child even at cost of one's own life lostnfound Dec 2022 #29

I am better than no one nightwing1240 Dec 2022 #36

Thank you, thank you, thank you arlyellowdog Dec 2022 #26

"Violence could not triumph" nightwing1240 Dec 2022 #37

too generalized GenXer47 Dec 2022 #18

When they go low, we go high IronLionZion Dec 2022 #20

I believe the answer to intolerance is not violence unless it is truly a last resort. Lonestarblue Dec 2022 #23

"must we wait until those who admit their intent to destroy us to "actually" open fire before our... LudwigPastorius Dec 2022 #24

exactly, I agree llashram Dec 2022 #27

To be in the right, we must wait until a threat is imminent before resorting to violence. hadEnuf Dec 2022 #30

I'm a woman and I've spent most of my life living alone Warpy Dec 2022 #31

Think Kyle Rittenhouse coming down the street... rubbersole Dec 2022 #32

not many will remember 2016 Slammer Dec 2022 #33

Krishna's answer to Arjuna's dilemma sanatanadharma Dec 2022 #38

If I understand you correctly Martin Eden Dec 2022 #39

Order 66? Fla_Democrat Dec 2022 #40

All I have is my integrity I_UndergroundPanther Dec 2022 #41

How do you define "to destroy us" Kaleva Dec 2022 #42