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SorellaLaBefana

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96. Yes. Lots of information
Sat Dec 31, 2022, 08:41 AM
Dec 2022

There is also a strong current of victim blaming running through a sea of assumption and vitriol.

Like many commentators, I've little sympathy for people who deliberately get into extreme situations and then expect someone to come, at risk of their own lives, to rescue them. Such examples are legion, and I've been one of the pissed-off rescuers

However, in this situation most of those trapped were simply going to or from work. Sure, there were some who foolishly decided that they just had to make a run to the store as the storm closed in and am certain that there were even a few who decided to head out for an exciting drive in the storm—perhaps hoping get a viral social media video out of it.

The vast majority of those trapped were people who, for one reason or another, did not feel that they could simply take a "snow day" from their work, or who made the bad decision that the storm would not be as bad as forecast.

They ended up stranded.

Stranded not in trackless wilderness, nor in open fields, but along well demarcated highways packed with other trapped vehicles. It was known where they were.

Many years ago on a forty-below Arctic night I stood in a howling storm. Looking down I could barely make out my bunny boots through the horizontally blowing snow. The person whom I had stopped to help up and I were now alone. My companion thought we should set off in what 'had' to be the right direction.

I knew our only hope was that, upon reaching the shelter to which we were headed—perhaps a quarter of a mile away—the Innuit villagers would realize we were missing and would come back for us. After about half an hour we saw flashlights. Survived the experience with only some frostbite—because people took the risk to rescue us.

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I think you are underestimating the severity of the storm. Ray Bruns Dec 2022 #1
As well as overestimating the number of people who have snowmobiles or snowshoes. GoCubsGo Dec 2022 #27
Disaster response has been sorely underfunded at the local, state and national level for decades. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2022 #2
True Meowmee Dec 2022 #68
Geez, DO you not realize that hundreds of EMERGENCY WORKERS were likewise hlthe2b Dec 2022 #3
... Ferrets are Cool Dec 2022 #6
Thank you for explaining this in a civil tone. Jack the Greater Dec 2022 #8
Same things in hurricanes - once the wind rises to a certain speed, you're on your own hatrack Dec 2022 #15
That's assuming you can even get a call through! Native Dec 2022 #25
The OP is infuriating. tenderfoot Dec 2022 #16
As someone who lives in hurricane country, same obamanut2012 Dec 2022 #84
Thank you. we can do it Dec 2022 #18
+100 x millions. 2naSalit Dec 2022 #42
thank you treestar Dec 2022 #46
Spot on ! KS Toronado Dec 2022 #63
..in a blizzard you can't see shit.. thomski64 Dec 2022 #4
THIS 2naSalit Dec 2022 #44
thank you treestar Dec 2022 #49
it would be nice to have the population work together in a co-ordinated fashion Shellback Squid Dec 2022 #5
You've never seen anything like this. Mother nature Scrivener7 Dec 2022 #7
+1 2naSalit Dec 2022 #48
Do you think 4ft of snow is easy to navigate through Historic NY Dec 2022 #9
And this is why authorities AkFemDem Dec 2022 #10
Snowmobiles are not as common in urban areas. localroger Dec 2022 #11
How would emergency workers get to their work places? Kaleva Dec 2022 #12
Snowshoes and snowmobiles are not evenly distributed and not automatically mobilized Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2022 #13
The details seem to... 2naSalit Dec 2022 #54
Knee high or higher snow, gale force winds, almost zero visibility. Greybnk48 Dec 2022 #14
Stupid people die, it happens, stay off the roads in a fucking blizzard! Or survive on your OWN! Shanti Shanti Shanti Dec 2022 #17
You seem nice tenderfoot Dec 2022 #19
Post removed Post removed Dec 2022 #30
Nice lack of compassion & empathy AntivaxHunters Dec 2022 #22
My empathy ends where your stupidity begins, like "riding out" a Cat 4 hurricane on a barrier island Shanti Shanti Shanti Dec 2022 #29
As an example tjere are people who need the paycheck and could be in a work or don't get paid CentralMass Dec 2022 #43
Even they can probably afford to throw a few blankets in the car. Mariana Dec 2022 #81
This message was self-deleted by its author CentralMass Dec 2022 #47
Judging people ain't it AntivaxHunters Dec 2022 #53
Another expert!!! USALiberal Dec 2022 #62
how much compassion for the emergency workers? treestar Dec 2022 #51
How about the sick, disabled, poor, elderly AntivaxHunters Dec 2022 #56
How about people that were headed home from work when the storm hit? tenderfoot Dec 2022 #67
Whoa! Easy there! LuckyCharms Dec 2022 #24
Weather kills all the time, you ignore the risks and perils of mother nature on your own Shanti Shanti Shanti Dec 2022 #31
Oh. LuckyCharms Dec 2022 #41
we are to blame if we disregard treestar Dec 2022 #52
Broad brush. LuckyCharms Dec 2022 #57
then you knew you made that decision to go anyway treestar Dec 2022 #58
Everything is so easy on the internet. LuckyCharms Dec 2022 #59
Tell it to the OP Mariana Dec 2022 #85
The hit and run OP that goes skiing in the winter and knows all tenderfoot Dec 2022 #93
Just got word that a friends mom froze to death in her car trying to get home from work. tenderfoot Dec 2022 #65
Oh, God, no. I'm so sorry. Scrivener7 Dec 2022 #89
Thank you. tenderfoot Dec 2022 #92
Oh, no. Strength to your poor friend, and you How horifying electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #95
It's not always stupidity. Sometimes it's luck (or lack thereof), desperation, or simply ignorance. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2022 #34
My friend had to get his child DashOneBravo Dec 2022 #94
Hundreds were rescued Johnny2X2X Dec 2022 #20
Thank you for adding some facts to this thread. yardwork Dec 2022 #21
Facts: EMS delays, broken heating systems,other blizzard conditions push Buffalo winter storm's hlthe2b Dec 2022 #32
Agreed. That's why I appreciated the post to which I responded. yardwork Dec 2022 #33
"Enjoyed" skiing and playing in the snow GenThePerservering Dec 2022 #23
Here's some perspective on your tirade... EarthFirst Dec 2022 #26
This photo reminds me of the worst blizzard I was in. KS Toronado Dec 2022 #101
I used to live in northern New York, and have experienced some very wild winter weather. patphil Dec 2022 #28
Methinks some inebriating drinks have been involved in some of these accidents. Judgments get CTyankee Dec 2022 #35
Not necessarily. Two members of my extended family were lost in a storm recently. They Scrivener7 Dec 2022 #74
You are right, of course. I meant around holiday time when people might be drinking more than CTyankee Dec 2022 #79
I was never particularly cowed by the weather because in the past it just Scrivener7 Dec 2022 #83
From what I know is that: Niagara Dec 2022 #80
No one allowed people to die in trapped cars. Niagara Dec 2022 #36
I wonder how many were XanaDUer2 Dec 2022 #37
Others have covered the misconception here. I was just remembering Hortensis Dec 2022 #38
Good points... hlthe2b Dec 2022 #40
+1 million zillion treestar Dec 2022 #55
+1000 MineralMan Dec 2022 #66
Because having a bunch of untrained "rescuers" Zeitghost Dec 2022 #39
That was my first thought sarisataka Dec 2022 #69
Have you ever experienced a blizzard like the one there? MineralMan Dec 2022 #45
+1 CentralMass Dec 2022 #61
Well, I live in Minnesota now, after living most of my life in California. MineralMan Dec 2022 #64
My brother went o school in the upper peninsula in Michigan. CentralMass Dec 2022 #73
Back when I lived in San Antonio Genki Hikari Dec 2022 #50
Oh yeah, lots of places like that! LeftInTX Dec 2022 #72
Textbook hit and run post. onenote Dec 2022 #60
+1 tenderfoot Dec 2022 #70
62 prior posts. maxsolomon Dec 2022 #78
I live in Buffalo, NY. Do you? If not, I'm not sure you understand the ferocity of this blizzard. liberal_mama Dec 2022 #71
My sister is up there with you. Stay safe. Are you doing OK? Scrivener7 Dec 2022 #75
We were very lucky to have our power stay on, but what a terrifying storm it was! liberal_mama Dec 2022 #87
Nope. She had power all the way through. Lost it for an hour or so Scrivener7 Dec 2022 #88
I'm glad she was lucky with the power too. The posts on the Facebook Buffalo Blizzard group on liberal_mama Dec 2022 #90
I can't even imagine. Scrivener7 Dec 2022 #91
Welcome to DU, SorellaLaBefana. I hope you read all the replies -- lots off info there. Hekate Dec 2022 #76
Yes. Lots of information SorellaLaBefana Dec 2022 #96
Your experience does not relate to a densely populated urban environment Mysterian Dec 2022 #102
Short of deploying tracked military vehicles NickB79 Dec 2022 #77
I went through Katrina and had it way easier than this. chriscan64 Dec 2022 #82
I've had ForgedCrank Dec 2022 #86
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Dec 2022 #97
snow killing people in freaking BUFFALO NEW YORK Skittles Dec 2022 #98
Back in 1996 (Jan. 7 - 8), many of us in the PA-NJ-DE area BumRushDaShow Dec 2022 #99
The same thing that allows people to die at all. Renew Deal Dec 2022 #100
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