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Ocelot II

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39. I taught a couple of college courses for a number of years
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 06:40 PM
Mar 2023

as an adjunct instructor, and I always required papers. The students were warned about plagiarism and the necessity of citing sources and attributing quotes, and they were told that if they plagiarized they might get no credit for the paper. Since the paper was usually a significant part of the total grade that could mean they failed the course. I also warned them that I'd be able to tell if they copied their paper from another source. So they rarely did it. But there were a few instances of it (usually just failing to cite a source, which could have been inadvertent), but I remember one that was far too well-written for an undergrad paper, especially one by that guy. It wasn't hard to find his sources, which he had copied verbatim. So, 0 credit for the paper and a stern warning. Of course this was before the days of AI, but when you have a mediocre student turning in work that's at least grammatical, you have to check. I don't know why they cheat, either.

How did you id it as AI? SheltieLover Mar 2023 #1
There are several AI detectors you can run the text through. Coventina Mar 2023 #2
Very interesting. I have a feeling that going forward, it's going to be a case of cat and mouse... Hekate Mar 2023 #10
That's the part I don't get. How much effort to cheat vs. just doing the work? Coventina Mar 2023 #17
I doubt that getting an AI to write your paper is hard work. nt pnwmom Mar 2023 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author NullTuples Mar 2023 #64
The students won't work hard to cheat. The AI developers will work hard to make cheating harder... Silent3 Mar 2023 #91
A student wwould just have to modify the text and run it through the AI detectors DBoon Mar 2023 #111
And so exhausting and frustrating for teachers PatSeg Mar 2023 #113
I didn't realize detectors existed. SheltieLover Mar 2023 #20
They can't even cheat well. ZonkerHarris Mar 2023 #86
I think there are already methods to get around these detectors. honest.abe Mar 2023 #103
I know you'll be careful with wryter2000 Mar 2023 #114
Don't worry. ChaptGPT will get better and you'll never catch a student cheating again SYFROYH Mar 2023 #3
Not funny. Coventina Mar 2023 #5
Unfortunately, the data show that most college students cheat at least once. SYFROYH Mar 2023 #11
Depressing that most humans have such shitty ethics. Coventina Mar 2023 #15
Ty for the work you dom SheltieLover Mar 2023 #21
FREE PUPPIES, FREE KITTENS. That's the reason I hate my species. japple Mar 2023 #44
This. It also says the student thinks they don't actually need to learn the Scrivener7 Mar 2023 #115
I don't know why they bother. DFW Mar 2023 #71
Cork is smart enough to hang out with wine. Prairie_Seagull Mar 2023 #107
Or a medical doctor Rebl2 Mar 2023 #37
I wrote lots of papers mgardener Mar 2023 #61
Although you make a very strong case... lame54 Mar 2023 #80
ChatGPT-4 can pass law & med exams with high marks.... CousinIT Mar 2023 #83
there will be more tools to detect AI content RussBLib Mar 2023 #7
AI content at DU? Basically, next-level trolls and troll-farms. Question is, how do we detect it? Hekate Mar 2023 #16
True. And it'll take more and more of our time to catch the lies. groundloop Mar 2023 #69
as post 7 says NJCher Mar 2023 #95
This already the case with 4.0 FreeState Mar 2023 #57
Ding ding ding give the man a cigar dwayneb Mar 2023 #101
I went to Sweet Briar College in the 70s. no_hypocrisy Mar 2023 #4
common knowledge doesn't NJCher Mar 2023 #93
I was extra vigilant. no_hypocrisy Mar 2023 #99
I understand NJCher Mar 2023 #100
What clues did you have and what protection is there for you, the teacher? Hekate Mar 2023 #6
A very low performing student turned in a paper that was way too sophisticated Coventina Mar 2023 #8
Your problem will be when students start off by doing that dsc Mar 2023 #12
at the beginning of every class NJCher Mar 2023 #94
I think there's gonna have to be Elessar Zappa Mar 2023 #9
So do we just give up on teaching how to communicate in writing from here on out? Coventina Mar 2023 #13
Important production will have to be done... LakeVermilion Mar 2023 #22
Absolutely not! SheltieLover Mar 2023 #23
Right Rebl2 Mar 2023 #41
yes. edisdead Mar 2023 #33
That's not what employers tell us. n/t Coventina Mar 2023 #42
Which employers? edisdead Mar 2023 #43
73% of Employers Look for Writing as a Top Skill in the Workplace Coventina Mar 2023 #48
Sure. edisdead Mar 2023 #52
Posting a link to back up what I said is not going for the jugular. Coventina Mar 2023 #56
Also contenthacker... edisdead Mar 2023 #53
OK, if Contenthacker isn't to your taste, here is INC. Magazine: Coventina Mar 2023 #58
Thank you Hekate Mar 2023 #87
Wow. ShazzieB Mar 2023 #47
Post removed Post removed Mar 2023 #49
Not going to waste my time. ShazzieB Mar 2023 #54
Where did I say it is fine? edisdead Mar 2023 #55
spelling errors in your posts o btw (or what are "wringing skills" ? )nt orleans Mar 2023 #98
Probably a good idea to have them turn in not just the final product, but intermediate work as well Salviati Mar 2023 #81
There is always a pen and paper. Or a manual typewriter. JanMichael Mar 2023 #90
Better start teaching cursive first or use air gapped computers without spellcheck. Prairie_Seagull Mar 2023 #109
Maybe Rebl2 Mar 2023 #40
Seems Inevitable ProfessorGAC Mar 2023 #14
I'm guessing that AI can help with analyzing new data and drawing conclusions. erronis Mar 2023 #36
You Will Become One With The Borg! ProfessorGAC Mar 2023 #38
Fantastic post. edisdead Mar 2023 #45
Thank you. I don't often get a positive review. erronis Mar 2023 #70
Glad I'm retired. badhair77 Mar 2023 #18
Possibly, have the student recite the essay from memory Tetrachloride Mar 2023 #19
How do you know it was ai? Meowmee Mar 2023 #24
I ran the text through several AI detectors, and they all said "This is AI" Coventina Mar 2023 #25
Those are the detectors? Meowmee Mar 2023 #27
Yes and yes. Coventina Mar 2023 #29
Yeah it sucks Meowmee Mar 2023 #31
OP replied to that query. Replies #2 & 8 nt Nittersing Mar 2023 #26
Thanks Meowmee Mar 2023 #28
I asked a friend who owns an ad/marketing agency if they used chatGPT Poiuyt Mar 2023 #30
My first quarter teaching in grad school, I had a student plagiarize tishaLA Mar 2023 #32
'satiety' is famously used in another very well-known poem, To a Skylark, by Percy Bysshe Shelley Celerity Mar 2023 #59
Many years ago, when I was a freshman in college, a friend of mine got caught plagiarizing. Midwestern Democrat Mar 2023 #96
They cheat Rebl2 Mar 2023 #34
I cheated on a HS Spanish quiz once. I got caught of course Bristlecone Mar 2023 #35
I taught a couple of college courses for a number of years Ocelot II Mar 2023 #39
You should create a student named AI ... aggiesal Mar 2023 #46
I like this idea!!! Coventina Mar 2023 #50
+100 nt reACTIONary Mar 2023 #67
Everybody cheats. Everybody. cachukis Mar 2023 #60
I feel you Traildogbob Mar 2023 #62
The best way to keep students from using cell phones ... aggiesal Mar 2023 #82
Today's faculty Traildogbob Mar 2023 #88
This offers a promising direction. Change the law so that certain... LAS14 Mar 2023 #89
I never cheated, either, I never had to Warpy Mar 2023 #63
We had a guy in high school that would try and copy everyone else's homework ... aggiesal Mar 2023 #84
Most of my college exams involved receiving blue notebooks grantcart Mar 2023 #65
One of my history midterms, moonscape Mar 2023 #79
It would be interesting to run it through chatGPT and ask it to reduce the reading level Renew Deal Mar 2023 #66
crucifixion, first offense. cab67 Mar 2023 #68
Do you ever see a point where it will be accepted, similar to a calculator in math class? Renew Deal Mar 2023 #102
For what? cab67 Mar 2023 #104
Graduation essay requirement oldfart73 Mar 2023 #72
Please define......".AI" for those who do not understand the term... Stuart G Mar 2023 #73
Artificial Intelligence. n/t Coventina Mar 2023 #74
That is the student did "NOT WRITE THE PAPER", .........THE COMPUTER WROTE IT Stuart G Mar 2023 #75
Exactly. n/t Coventina Mar 2023 #76
AI written material is easy to spot at this point. BannonsLiver Mar 2023 #77
If they are able to answer questions about what they wrote, then I'd let it go. eggplant Mar 2023 #78
Well, reading a book is certainly A LOT easier than writing one - and the same goes for term papers. Midwestern Democrat Mar 2023 #97
Are there policies around the use of AI that students are aware of? CousinIT Mar 2023 #85
Sounds a whole lot like plagiarism... BlueIdaho Mar 2023 #92
This incident begs the question... Pluvious Mar 2023 #105
This is the future SammySlytherin Mar 2023 #106
Not exactly. In this case, the students input would just be "Write a paper about physics" for exampl Oneironaut Mar 2023 #108
Papers will go the way of cursive handwriting and library book catalogs News Junkie Mar 2023 #110
Learning to write teaches you to think in a clear organized fashion DBoon Mar 2023 #112
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