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Oneironaut

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87. No, as it's hurtful to all trans people.

Reply to JanMichael (Reply #56)

Thu Mar 30, 2023, 01:47 PM

Mar 2023

It would be like saying that it’s ok to call dead shooters who were ethnic minorities ethnic slurs.

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If the shooter identified as a trans male, why do so many on DU keep misgendering him as she/her? [View all] Celerity Mar 2023 OP

There have been posts that it didn't matter because he was a killer, and dead AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2023 #1

This. Gendering someone properly does not depend on their behavior. I've said it before about WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2023 #2

It might be because the initial reports were based on a description Ocelot II Mar 2023 #3

I think his name was Aidan. Coventina Mar 2023 #4

I read he was changing his name to Aiden AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2023 #6

The name wasn't part of LinkedIn. FreeState Mar 2023 #70

It was his Instagram that was first scrubbed, that is where I first saw Aiden (as a name) and the Celerity Mar 2023 #81

Aiden. tblue37 Mar 2023 #69

It's pure misinformation ColinC Mar 2023 #5

Immediately after the shooting was over, the police described the deceased shooter Ocelot II Mar 2023 #12

Yeah that makes sense. ColinC Mar 2023 #16

My guess (only a guess): petulance Torchlight Mar 2023 #7

My thoughts exactly. LostOne4Ever Mar 2023 #8

The situation has been in continual flux. TwilightZone Mar 2023 #9

I am male and I get called "Ma'am" around a few times a month Just_Vote_Dem Mar 2023 #10

ffs, 'looked like a lesbian' ? Celerity Mar 2023 #23

If I didn't have family here I'd be back in Massachusetts Just_Vote_Dem Mar 2023 #28

we just can't control others' impressions treestar Mar 2023 #92

I know in my case it was because of initial confusion. Elessar Zappa Mar 2023 #11

For the same reason all my hidden posts obamanut2012 Mar 2023 #13

sorry for your troubles Celerity Mar 2023 #15

Thank you. Ms. Toad Mar 2023 #17

Thank you so much LostOne4Ever Mar 2023 #18

Thank you Tree-Hugger Mar 2023 #40

There are a number who are trying to be "cute." yardwork Mar 2023 #41

... LexVegas Mar 2023 #57

Did you appeal the hides? sl8 Mar 2023 #60

Yes, every time obamanut2012 Mar 2023 #74

Dang. Sorry. nt sl8 Mar 2023 #78

I've pushed back a little - Ms. Toad Mar 2023 #14

Thank you LostOne4Ever Mar 2023 #19

I wish I could do more! n/t Ms. Toad Mar 2023 #22

This message was self-deleted by its author LostOne4Ever Mar 2023 #20

I thought he was a transgender man. yardwork Mar 2023 #42

That is correct. Ms. Toad Mar 2023 #47

I agree. Honest confusion or mistaken understanding is not a problem. yardwork Mar 2023 #49

I called a lesser offense (rather than not a problem) Ms. Toad Mar 2023 #53

I've been calling Hale, "they" LeftInTX Mar 2023 #82

From Hale's online profiles, Hale identified as male. Ms. Toad Mar 2023 #90

Sorry. Responded to wrong post. Lol Oneironaut Mar 2023 #58

I've read numerous interviews with the shooter's friends. BlackSkimmer Mar 2023 #76

Going by the pronouns used by the family and friends is someone known to be trans is not a safe assu Ms. Toad Mar 2023 #77

WE may know that, but the average person out there may NOT know that. BlackSkimmer Mar 2023 #85

This thread, though, was about people on DU. Ms. Toad Mar 2023 #89

how is it possible to feel unsafe on treestar Mar 2023 #93

That's a great question. BlackSkimmer Mar 2023 #103

And hit "alert" nt XanaDUer2 Mar 2023 #105

Because that's what we were told that day lame54 Mar 2023 #21

but I am referring to posts made today, after the facts came out Celerity Mar 2023 #24

Is a child murderer worthy of respect at all? NutmegYankee Mar 2023 #25

it is not about respect, it is about accuracy and not playing into transphobia on a broader basis Celerity Mar 2023 #26

It's more a matter of respecting the identification, Ocelot II Mar 2023 #27

Gendering properly isn't a reward for behavior. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2023 #29

For me equals: that a$$hole who killed the kids JCMach1 Mar 2023 #34

+1000 nt NutmegYankee Mar 2023 #37

Is it ok to mock Trump for being overweight? No, it is not. yardwork Mar 2023 #43

Well said. nt crickets Mar 2023 #45

Most people know what is going on though treestar Mar 2023 #94

Does a person have to earn their pronoun? sarisataka Mar 2023 #46

No, but isn't about him. It's about the trans people as a whole. LostOne4Ever Mar 2023 #63

I would prefer that the shooter, any shooter, be referred mcar Mar 2023 #30

that is all good, but then some are still misgendering them with the pronouns she/her Celerity Mar 2023 #32

Oh FFS inthewind21 Mar 2023 #97

his identity as a trans man has been known for days now, there are examples in the OP and in Celerity Mar 2023 #102

There was lots of confusion in posts containing various news sources. As the day ended... Hekate Mar 2023 #31

yes, but then they still use the wrong pronouns of she/her. It's been over 2 days now and the Celerity Mar 2023 #33

"By this point" being 30 hours into the event. Glad it's all cleared up. Hekate Mar 2023 #50

I did see a post here sarisataka Mar 2023 #44

So now we have the trans authenticity inspectors? Glad I did not see that. Celerity Mar 2023 #52

No excuse for the "it" posts that survived juries. meadowlander Mar 2023 #59

Someone on Fox said it was a hate crime on Christians. keithbvadu2 Mar 2023 #35

Do we know if he was still Christian? Or was he just raised by fundie Christian parents? Celerity Mar 2023 #36

Oh inthewind21 Mar 2023 #98

do they even know if the victims were treestar Mar 2023 #95

This message was self-deleted by its author jcgoldie Mar 2023 #38

Best guess, as others have said, is people not closely following new developments/information. Jedi Guy Mar 2023 #39

The reports I saw Ms. Toad Mar 2023 #48

I'd be willing to bet the media was all over the map on it. Jedi Guy Mar 2023 #51

It was, and in a very short period of time the gender issue was corrected, at least by some. Ms. Toad Mar 2023 #54

Misinformation...and anger Maeve Mar 2023 #55

Is it ok to dead name a dead person shot while making people dead? JanMichael Mar 2023 #56

No. LostOne4Ever Mar 2023 #61

So not liking one murderer means I don't like any? JanMichael Mar 2023 #64

Not what I said LostOne4Ever Mar 2023 #65

Wiki does it with Caitlyn Jenner Polybius Mar 2023 #66

Does not make it right LostOne4Ever Mar 2023 #67

With trans celebrities, I am torn Polybius Mar 2023 #71

I'm sure it comes down to who owns the rights to the media. meadowlander Mar 2023 #72

Wiki does that for everyone I believe. It also does it for actors/actresses. Oneironaut Mar 2023 #86

No, as it's hurtful to all trans people. Oneironaut Mar 2023 #87

Many on DU struggle with the concept that using a group slur insults the group meadowlander Mar 2023 #62

I always refer to mass shooters as shooters ecstatic Mar 2023 #68

Too tired to go into detail... DET Mar 2023 #73

I call the person a cold blooded murderer! Emile Mar 2023 #75

Why are you immediately assuming people here are "playing into his fundie Christian parents"? Chakaconcarne Mar 2023 #79

I never said they were *wilfully* playing into the parents' hands, do not put words in my mouth. Celerity Mar 2023 #80

I'm using "they" around my Milllenial daughter. maxsolomon Mar 2023 #83

Really! It's not like this person was murdered or died LeftInTX Mar 2023 #84

It's not about showing respect to the killer. It's about showing respect to all trans people. meadowlander Mar 2023 #88

I said I'm using acceptable pronouns. 'They' works for everyone. We're all 'they'. maxsolomon Mar 2023 #96

is there any information on the murderer's treestar Mar 2023 #91

Yes, it has been established for days now that he used he/him, that he was born a biological female Celerity Mar 2023 #99

a lot of people in the thread explained treestar Mar 2023 #100

Oh please inthewind21 Mar 2023 #101

I wasn't the one who posted the LinkedIn in this thread initially, that was another poster. Celerity Mar 2023 #104