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Abolishinist

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26. The Establishment Clause prohibits the government from privileging religious messages.

Mon Apr 17, 2023, 05:58 PM

Apr 2023

The Supreme Court has said time and again that the “First Amendment mandates government neutrality between religion and religion, and between religion and nonreligion.

The church bells were ringing in compliance with the noise ordinances in place at the time, which allowed for more quiet in the evenings and early morning. In addition, they were not broadcasting the following....

God is Great! God is Great! God is Great! God is Great!
I bear witness that there is no god except the One God.
I bear witness that there is no god except the One God.
I bear witness that Muhammad is the messenger of God.
I bear witness that Muhammad is the messenger of God.
Hurry to the prayer. Hurry to the prayer.
Hurry to salvation. Hurry to salvation.
God is Great! God is Great!
There is no god except the One God.

Prior to this change they managed to pray on their own, they don’t need it now. Since it is not needed, this is simply an unconstitutional support of religious privilege. Such a prayer call is unnecessary in the third decade of the 21st century, when it is absurd to believe that people cannot be called to prayer by other means.

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Minneapolis OKs dawn Muslim prayer call, 1st for big US city [View all] dalton99a Apr 2023 OP

Although I'm an atheist, this makes me happy. LakeArenal Apr 2023 #1

so is broadcasting beer commercials 5X a day ok too? nt msongs Apr 2023 #2

No thanks. edisdead Apr 2023 #3

Always thought an actual individual in the minaret calling to prayer would be quaint. Arthur_Frain Apr 2023 #17

i hope this is only audible in areas of people that actually want to hear it Takket Apr 2023 #4

This violates people's right to freedom FROM religion. roamer65 Apr 2023 #5

Exactly. One part of being a good neighbor means not Abolishinist Apr 2023 #6

This is an excellent test of who's truly woke and who ain't. MineralMan Apr 2023 #7

I see it more a test of who doesn't care if they awaken their neighbors Abolishinist Apr 2023 #8

Think about it. MineralMan Apr 2023 #9

I see where some might be confused about what I wrote. So to be clear, Abolishinist Apr 2023 #14

I'm not confused at all. MineralMan Apr 2023 #20

First of all, I think we can agree that it is extremely unusual for an avowed atheist to Abolishinist Apr 2023 #21

The establishment clause prevents the government from MineralMan Apr 2023 #23

The Establishment Clause prohibits the government from privileging religious messages. Abolishinist Apr 2023 #26

Your issue, not mine. MineralMan Apr 2023 #27

Fortunately, at least for those of us concerned with the separation of church and state, Abolishinist Apr 2023 #28

That's not a surprising position for them to take. MineralMan Apr 2023 #30

lol this fuckin thread WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2023 #10

How about other religions ? What if someone of another religion decided to use the loudspeaker JI7 Apr 2023 #11

I want to hear a symphonic contest between The Church That Hates Beef vs The Church That Hates Pork dalton99a Apr 2023 #12

Sure. Have you never been in a public place where some street preacher MineralMan Apr 2023 #24

5 x a day every day Meowmee Apr 2023 #13

+1. But people who don't own alarm clocks have rights too dalton99a Apr 2023 #15

Lol Meowmee Apr 2023 #16

They need to make an app for that. Those prayer calls can be very loud. Also why is this needed GuppyGal Apr 2023 #18

But there are so many apps to choose from - and many people can't afford a Walmart cellphone dalton99a Apr 2023 #19

They do make apps for that. MineralMan Apr 2023 #25

This Should RobinA Apr 2023 #22

Now Satanic Temple of Seattle wants prayer time on the 50-yard line, too Celerity Apr 2023 #29

Good intentions but no thank you renate Apr 2023 #31

ugh. not everyone goes to bed at nine or ten and gets up at the crack of dawn orleans Apr 2023 #32

Apparently there are many to choose from, see post #19. Abolishinist Apr 2023 #33

I agree with Abolutionist upthread - two words for this: harumph Apr 2023 #34