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Thu Nov 30, 2023, 07:18 AM Nov 2023

The Cybertruck Is the Dumbest Thing I've Ever Seen: Elon Musk enters his Caligula era. [View all]



https://prospect.org/infrastructure/transportation/2023-11-30-tesla-cybertruck-dumbest-thing/



The Cybertruck—or CYBPRFRVKK, according to its " target="_blank">illegible branding image, which looks like a white suburban teenager’s first hesitant attempt at tagging the local Red Robin—is due to be released today. It’s the first new Tesla design since 2018, and the company has spent over four years and billions retooling its factories to make it. It’s anyone’s guess how much of a success or failure the truck will be, though the fact that at time of writing there is, incredibly, still no official information about price or battery capacity doesn’t bode well. But we can conclude that the Cybertruck is just possibly the dumbest vehicle ever produced. Here’s why.

Let’s start with the Cybertruck’s body panels, which are made of stainless steel. That is a nightmare for several reasons. First, it is quite a bit harder than ordinary steel, making it difficult to shape and machine. When Ford experimented with stainless steel in the mid-20th century, they discovered that the metal would eventually break the dies they used to press their door panels. Tesla has had to cut the sheets with lasers and bend them into shape, which is undoubtedly more expensive.



Second, there is cost. The chromium and nickel alloys typically used to make steel stainless—that is, resistant to corrosion—are expensive, at about $11,700 and $18,300 per metric ton, respectively, as compared to about $800 for steel. And while stainless steel is resistant to dents, that also means that if it is dented it is difficult and costly to repair. Incidentally, automakers have long since developed techniques to combat rust that are roughly equivalent to stainless alloys, like galvanizing the steel (that is, applying a zinc coating) and improved paint. Indeed, stainless steel itself is not entirely rustproof, as anyone with a stainless knife or cutlery has likely discovered. Leave it under a damp surface like a cloth (or leaf, or bird poop) for too long, and it will start to corrode.

Third and perhaps most importantly, stainless steel is much stiffer than the ordinary stuff, which makes it dangerous. Since the 1950s at least, automakers have understood that stiffer cars are more dangerous to people inside and outside the car, because in a crash they deliver energy to other parties rather than absorbing it. In early crash test experiments with more heavily built cars, collisions often did only minor damage to the car but turned the test dummies into paste. Since then, cars have been designed with progressively more sophisticated crumple zones to absorb impact forces. Musk’s boasts of a Cybertruck “exoskeleton,” if true, are a recipe for gruesome carnage.



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Musk Edsel? multigraincracker Nov 2023 #1
Eloon Edsel Muskrat GoneOffShore Nov 2023 #2
A stock Edsel alfredo Nov 2023 #12
The Edsel wasn't so bad, for that time EYESORE 9001 Nov 2023 #9
Eloon recreates the Edsel. Haggard Celine Nov 2023 #3
Works for me! calimary Nov 2023 #5
He has obviously already lost his shit maxrandb Nov 2023 #15
Cybertruck Might Replace Edsel As The Go-To Metaphor For A Failed Product nt smb Nov 2023 #22
He should market it in Spanish-speaking countries Sky Jewels Nov 2023 #60
i am so old i remember when pick up trucks were supposed to be useful dembotoz Nov 2023 #4
That has already been done. Woodwizard Nov 2023 #8
Still have my old Datsun 1500 maxrandb Nov 2023 #17
That is so cool Unwind Your Mind Nov 2023 #46
1982 720 Little Hustler maxrandb Nov 2023 #49
Blame the EPA OnlinePoker Nov 2023 #20
This is the best explanation of the trend I have seen... Hugin Nov 2023 #34
Mazda also made a great small pick-up back in the day maxrandb Nov 2023 #50
One of those is exactly what I'd like to have... Hugin Nov 2023 #62
Burried at the end of the video is another important factor - consumer preference progressoid Nov 2023 #36
I find the boxes are so small they're now SUV's with an open trunk. n/t OnlinePoker Nov 2023 #41
Real Trucks Don't Have Carpet modrepub Nov 2023 #42
Looks like something out of an 80's cheesy sci fi movie Woodwizard Nov 2023 #6
And it doesn't even have a Flux Capacitor Option . . . hatrack Nov 2023 #16
At least it's ugly. It's got that going for it. nt Buns_of_Fire Nov 2023 #7
Like my brother-in-law would say maxrandb Nov 2023 #18
It's like a DeLorean and a... Hugin Nov 2023 #24
Such a waste... 2naSalit Nov 2023 #10
Back when he had his first fiasco reveal moniss Nov 2023 #11
Flat metal makes for a very cheap body. Hardly any stamping bucolic_frolic Nov 2023 #13
Not according to the article linked in the OP BannonsLiver Nov 2023 #35
Yeah, what a cover story. Bending equipment far cheaper than dies bucolic_frolic Nov 2023 #38
The article talks quite a bit about this. Shipwack Nov 2023 #39
Except the body isn't totally "flat" tinrobot Nov 2023 #54
I'd Like To Know What Stainless Steel Is Used ProfessorGAC Nov 2023 #14
I too would like to know the metal used EYESORE 9001 Nov 2023 #26
Ford uses aluminum for their F-series, which of course has its own problems. harumph Nov 2023 #40
IIRC it's the same SS used Disaffected Nov 2023 #55
Austenitic Stainless Steels... ProfessorGAC Nov 2023 #63
I dunno, the SS Tesla/SpaceX uses Disaffected Nov 2023 #66
Where Is The Chloride In Space? ProfessorGAC Nov 2023 #68
Mentioning SpaceX was simply a note in passing that Disaffected Nov 2023 #69
The List Is LLLONNNG! ProfessorGAC Nov 2023 #73
The unofficial unveiling tonight Mr. Sparkle Nov 2023 #19
Beat Me To It nt smb Nov 2023 #21
Same! JonAndKatePlusABird Nov 2023 #23
You beat me to it! robbob Nov 2023 #43
Remember, Musk bought into the original Teslas. This is his first original work RAB910 Nov 2023 #25
First new model since 18'.. Electric cars ignored by MAGA base.. Hmm Desert Dog Nov 2023 #27
I suspect early dementia northoftheborder Nov 2023 #28
Sometimes a weird asshole is just that. Poor decisions and dementia are Maru Kitteh Nov 2023 #56
Awkward poor taste is becoming his trademark. rubbersole Nov 2023 #29
It is also one of the ugliest! niyad Nov 2023 #30
"which looks like a white suburban teenager's first hesitant attempt at tagging the local Red Robin" Ray Bruns Nov 2023 #31
I'm havin trouble deciding the bigger POS... Elon Musk or his Cybertruck?! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2023 #32
Based on that little hill vudeo, I would guess it would be a hoot niyad Nov 2023 #33
Nothing is Musk's idea Johnny2X2X Nov 2023 #37
A real chick magnet dalton99a Nov 2023 #44
A Zumwalt class land cruiser..n/t yorkster Nov 2023 #45
I noted in the test video that the vehicle did make it to the top of the hill successfully. Arthur_Frain Nov 2023 #47
Street tires? lildDemz Nov 2023 #48
Pizza Cutter tires are actually better for off-roading than big knobby tires. You get more contact area. TheBlackAdder Nov 2023 #70
My little VW Golf was waaay better than that obamanut2012 Nov 2023 #51
I have seen a couple of them here in California. To me they are JohnSJ Nov 2023 #52
Who would drive this thing? LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2023 #53
Looks like a Futuristic Hummer tom_kelly Nov 2023 #57
Can't wait to see how this ugly piece of junk compares to a Rivian. sinkingfeeling Nov 2023 #58
Looks like it would be good for transporting space marines to kill aliens AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2023 #59
It's hideous and has many flaws redqueen Nov 2023 #61
My '97 Nissan Pickup with a stick shift and 270,000 miles would run circles around that thing. world wide wally Nov 2023 #64
I'm still wondering how you're supposed to do an emergency exit from the vehicle sakabatou Nov 2023 #65
They will be chopping these things up BlueIdaho Nov 2023 #67
There was a lot of unexplained squeaking going on for such light action. TheBlackAdder Nov 2023 #71
It's one of the stupidest looking "vehicles" I've ever seen. Initech Nov 2023 #72
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