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edhopper

(35,583 posts) Tue Jan 23, 2024, 08:01 PM Jan 2024

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No one wants to talk about why Boeing planes fail [View all]

Boeing was a great airplane company, run by engineers and a strong Union factory in Seattle. In 2001 they moved the HQ to Chicago where the "financial people" and bean counters took over. The soon moved the manufacturing to Right to Work South Carolina. And outsourced a lot of components.
The results, planes without necessary software to stay in the sky and sections of fuselage coming off.
You can come to your own conclusions.

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No one wants to talk about why Boeing planes fail [View all] edhopper Jan 2024 OP

It's always the same, cost cutting that cheapens the product to pay the MBAs and Accountants bucolic_frolic Jan 2024 #1

The bean counters and CEOs are vampires. nt SunSeeker Jan 2024 #16

If it's Boeing, I ain't going. WarGamer Jan 2024 #2

A-380 Hobo Jan 2024 #3

Oh I'm intrigued... WarGamer Jan 2024 #7

My family just flew on the A380 to Spain... SKKY Jan 2024 #73

I saw one when I flew to Boston Logan Airport. Could not believe my eyes how big that thing is! OMGWTF Jan 2024 #81

The 747 was always something I wanted to fly in. The A380 would be a decent substitute ArkansasDemocrat1 Jan 2024 #87

I flew on an A380 from Madrid to Frankfurt... róisín_dubh Jan 2024 #102

People talk about why Boeing planes fail all the time. maxsolomon Jan 2024 #4

I am sure you do edhopper Jan 2024 #5

Lots of union work still being done here at 3 different plants. maxsolomon Jan 2024 #9

it's really the design of the 737-Max lapfog_1 Jan 2024 #54

Smart Aviation Pro Jan 2024 #14

If you have Netflix, there's a documentary about Boeing and their problems. LeftInTX Jan 2024 #6

Downfall: The Case Against Boeing on Netflix Phoenix61 Jan 2024 #8

Downfall? Does it end with Hitler wondering why his planes keep falling out of the sky? /nt localroger Jan 2024 #10

Hitler reacts! Kennah Jan 2024 #11

Fegelein!!1! (nt) Pinback Jan 2024 #56

(pointing at map) "Don't worry, the 737Max will save us" "Mein Fueher, the 737..." ArkansasDemocrat1 Jan 2024 #88

Hitler never listened to his top pilots! nt Shermann Jan 2024 #91

there's nothing wrong with outsourcing. it drives competiton and improves the economy Takket Jan 2024 #12

There is no way the QA/Compliance group is not all over suppliers keeping up to ISO standards. FHRRK Jan 2024 #20

Outsourcing Quiet man Jan 2024 #90

The 737 is not built in South Carolina. They;'re built in Renton, WA. brooklynite Jan 2024 #13

Not true. The 737 is only ASSEMBLED here in WA. That changed years ago. pnwmom Jan 2024 #22

I believe "assembled" means "putting in the bolts". brooklynite Jan 2024 #47

The fuselage with the defective plug was already assembled before it arrived in Washington. pnwmom Jan 2024 #51

Correct Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2024 #64

"Boeing, not Spirit, mis-installed piece that blew off Alaska MAX 9 jet, industry source says" -- Seattle Times brooklynite Jan 2024 #68

If that report is correct, "It was removed for repair." pnwmom Jan 2024 #74

Now...nt greblach Jan 2024 #45

Boeing's biggest problem is that McDonnell Douglas bought them with Boeing's money. nt Gore1FL Jan 2024 #15

Yep. nt greblach Jan 2024 #46

The door that fell off was made by a subcontractor, Spirit AeroSystems Yavin4 Jan 2024 #17

somewhat the point the OP was making FHRRK Jan 2024 #21

Yet a higher percentage of Spirit's workforce is unionized FBaggins Jan 2024 #103

I think Spirit was spun off. The Wichita operation used to be Boeing. mn9driver Jan 2024 #26

The CEO of Spirit was Trump's former Sec. of Defense Yavin4 Jan 2024 #38

Boeing had the idiotic idea that Spirit could make the planes more cheaply pnwmom Jan 2024 #65

Yes Boeing spun off Spirit AeroSystems into a subsidiary and then an independent company IronLionZion Jan 2024 #83

I've been reading lots of recent articles about this, including at least three in the NYT. nt pnwmom Jan 2024 #18

Trains, people. Give them some competition. Joinfortmill Jan 2024 #19

It won't help if the trains are built using the same management strategies. nt pnwmom Jan 2024 #23

But trains don't fall outta the sky Tansy_Gold Jan 2024 #24

True. But the good European ones travel at very high speeds pnwmom Jan 2024 #25

I don't think the US currently has the rail infrastructure Tansy_Gold Jan 2024 #34

The same quality problems would likely exist with whoever was outsourced to engineer and build the infrastructure. PTL_Mancuso Jan 2024 #59

That's a rather bleak outlook, but it doesn't change the basic premise: Tansy_Gold Jan 2024 #60

And it doesn't change the fact that planes can fly to many more places pnwmom Jan 2024 #66

Sorry to be coming back to this two weeks later, but . . . . Tansy_Gold Feb 2024 #108

"But trains don't fall outta the sky" That does not make them safer EX500rider Jan 2024 #105

We subsidize the air industry and let rail rot. orthoclad Jan 2024 #29

I love train travel. Tansy_Gold Jan 2024 #36

Train travel was far better orthoclad Jan 2024 #79

Amtrak has dining cars on some routes Tansy_Gold Jan 2024 #80

"Cafe service" is awful. orthoclad Jan 2024 #96

I'll consider trains when they can get me to LA in 5 hours DetroitLegalBeagle Jan 2024 #32

The technology exists to get you there in 2 hours.... A HERETIC I AM Jan 2024 #78

Hyperloop was utter bullshit. Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #101

Until it isn't A HERETIC I AM Jan 2024 #104

A lot of people are talking about it - there's even a netflix documentary. Ocelot II Jan 2024 #27

How am I going to get to Europe on a train? vanlassie Jan 2024 #28

Take a boat. orthoclad Jan 2024 #30

Airbus edhopper Jan 2024 #33

Take this one! Wonder Why Jan 2024 #35

Hahaha! vanlassie Jan 2024 #50

yes EX500rider Jan 2024 #106

You hit the nail on the head montanacowboy Jan 2024 #31

Your sister wasn't going to Europe on a 737... brooklynite Jan 2024 #37

If it's Boeing she ain't going montanacowboy Jan 2024 #41

Single aisles to Europe including the 737 is becoming more common BannonsLiver Jan 2024 #71

737s from the east coast to Europe are doable. Not from Seattle. brooklynite Jan 2024 #72

The 787 RobinA Jan 2024 #85

Is that the plane or the airline? brooklynite Jan 2024 #86

Exactly, airlines can order them in either high or low density layouts EX500rider Jan 2024 #92

787 battery fires aren't significant? ArkansasDemocrat1 Jan 2024 #89

Yes & no, they were a issue but their were no fatalities because of them EX500rider Jan 2024 #107

The problem was what preceded the HQ move VMA131Marine Jan 2024 #39

Yep, you got it. Even Businessweek agrees with you Hahn_Bikey Jan 2024 #62

QA? moondust Jan 2024 #40

In the late 90s I went though their factory and told them "this is a national pride" lostnfound Jan 2024 #42

They contract most of the engineers now AKwannabe Jan 2024 #67

Working from home is not a 'bad' employee NT GenThePerservering Jan 2024 #93

Contracted employees was the topic AKwannabe Jan 2024 #98

Wow. That's a problem lostnfound Jan 2024 #99

The plug door on the 737 Max and 737-900 are the same. Scruffy1 Jan 2024 #43

There is definitely something to what you are saying, though the ultimate cause... keep_left Jan 2024 #44

Corporatists... GiqueCee Jan 2024 #48

USAir 427 PennRalphie Jan 2024 #49

To be fair to Boeing, the 737 rudder issues were caused by a serious flaw in a part... keep_left Jan 2024 #53

Boeing designed the failed part and subbed out the manufacturing. PennRalphie Jan 2024 #57

Well, like I said, it was their plane and they signed off on it. I do know... keep_left Jan 2024 #61

Yes! K&R Grumpy Old Guy Jan 2024 #52

Troubles for years cbabe Jan 2024 #55

The AF would inspect the planes pfitz59 Jan 2024 #63

Yes. A veritable mess. cbabe Jan 2024 #70

makes sense to me-- rightwing capitalism fuckery strikes again LymphocyteLover Jan 2024 #58

Boeing's manufacturing, ethical lapses go back decades dalton99a Jan 2024 #69

The bottom line, GREED republianmushroom Jan 2024 #75

And lack of regulation orthoclad Jan 2024 #97

New article in Seattle Times: Whistleblower says Boeing installed the plug door wrong, Ocelot II Jan 2024 #76

I Heard Someone Say Last Night Deep State Witch Jan 2024 #77

As long as they found "efficiencies" and "synergies" and "ROI" with this "paradigm shift" IronLionZion Jan 2024 #82

Boeing was converted KT2000 Jan 2024 #84

No one wants to talk about why Boeing planes fail Ummm...HUH? GenThePerservering Jan 2024 #94

You's be surprized how little edhopper Jan 2024 #95

Three words: PISS POOR MANAGEMENT Emile Jan 2024 #100