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PatrickforB

(15,131 posts)
77. I'm going to have to respectfully disagree - what you are saying about Biden's poor debate performance is true, but
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 11:23 AM
Jul 2024

you seem to be omitting his utter command of issues in the foreign policy presser when he stood for 90 minutes and answered detailed questions off the top of his head.

Also the interview where he absolutely owned Lester Holt.

And let us not forget his forceful presentation at a number of rallies, and his strong address to the NAACP.

The other thing not to forget here is the utter banality of what is happening. It is all based on fear.

The billionaire greed-lizard donors are scared of higher taxes, because hey, they just don't yet have enough! They need just a little more. So money has changed hands in a tacit quid pro quo - we'll not give Biden any donations, but we will donate to you if...

And have you considered possible motives based on gender and race, Harris being a black woman. Biden promised to put a black woman on his ticket and he did. African Americans overwhelmingly supported him in 2020. Problem is, most of the people calling for him to get out seem to be white males. After all, having a progressive woman of color is quite scary to those who make money off the status quo.

The downticket people like Brown are scared they will lose - Brown is especially vulnerable because JD Vance is also an Ohioan and he is afraid a groundswell of support for the Trump/Vance ticket will cost him Ohio votes.

And the media is all publicly traded, which means the fiduciary responsibility of their executive editors and producers has NOTHING to do with truth in news reporting, and EVERYTHING to do with generating shareholder profits by presenting this whole thing as a horserace.

This whole thing is generating that sick tension of things not going the way we wish they would. I even freaked out the other day about these ridiculous calls for Biden to step down, but we have to let this play out.

This is a billionaire-funded coup ruled by raw greed. No matter how ugly it gets for the rest of us, the 'little' people, they want their tax cuts! Wall Street wants its shareholder profits.

You know, every time you look under the rock at the stinking, squirming maggots underneath, their shape is that of old white male liver-spotted hands grasping after more profits. That is all this is.

Big money is doing everything it can to ensure Dems lose, but guess what? There are WAY more of us than there are of them, and they are scared of us. They are scared of black women. They are scared of unions. They are scared of tax increases (the 2025 project calls for a huge TAX INCREASE for the middle class, did you know? While people 'earning' millions will receive substantial TAX CUTS.

This is an election about taxes. Those poor little freakishly insecure billionaires are really scared of losing even a little of their money.

But what about us? What about healthcare? Childcare? Affordable college? Continued support for NATO? What about recent liberal victories in Great Britain and France? What about abortion access? Climate change? Gun control? These are all widely supported by the American public.

Hubris. And the media is playing that for all its worth, and we're just going to have to watch while it plays out. Most people are very ignorant, made so by decades of right wing propaganda. Many don't 'believe' in data provided by Census and BLS even though this country leaves EVERYONE else in the world in the dust with the scope and depth of our data reporting. The right wing noise machine has worked really hard to make it difficult to recognize truth over lies.

Greed, the distraction of sports - the natural ability of Americans to think critically has been carefully and with big money channeled into sports analysis, but any critical thought around politics, social and economic policy has been carefully and thoroughly discouraged.

Will the American people uphold our republic? Or will they allow us to take the rest of the world down with us into the abyss of an oligarchic theocracy (otherwise known as fascism)? Because if this happens like it always has done in the past, fascism will surely lead to a widespread war, possibly a world war. Following this logic, we have Trump's alarming question to his advisors, "If we have nuclear weapons, why not use them?"

And guess what? If this worst-case scenario unfolds those poor little billionaires will find that they have screwed themselves over, because they will lose everything too. As will the media, the Wall Street greed-lizards and all the rest. But earth will abide, won't it?

So, the idea of calling for Biden to step down three months out from an election where the very survival of the world's liberal democracies is at stake is pretty illogical. But then a publicly traded company will sell you the very rope you're going to use to hang them, will they not? Good for shareholder profits, don't you know!

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The purple states democratic senators better jimfields33 Jul 2024 #1
The media fails us every time ... ratings over people and democracy NotHardly Jul 2024 #41
And I'm damn sick of it. Getting a lot of my info Joinfortmill Jul 2024 #92
The next show that has carville on will get an email from me BonnieJW Jul 2024 #70
It can be fixed Tweedy Jul 2024 #130
Let's avoid blaming the entire Democratic Party ChicagoRonin Jul 2024 #2
You are right, and I hope they can save us from those fool hardy elements who thought this "asking Biden to step aside" JohnSJ Jul 2024 #14
I call them hand-wringers in my barely polite letters to my senator. CrispyQ Jul 2024 #24
The "Democan'ts"? ChicagoRonin Jul 2024 #66
Sounds good to me! BComplex Jul 2024 #124
Silence is assent dickthegrouch Jul 2024 #88
That's right, the largest majority of Dems are still firmly ridin' with Biden PortTack Jul 2024 #91
#MeToo BoRaGard Jul 2024 #3
That's how I feel! StarryNite Jul 2024 #6
This is how I feel right now! redstatebluegirl Jul 2024 #35
My avatar shows how pissed off I am. BigmanPigman Jul 2024 #112
Like it or not, many in Congress and in the public watched the debate and formed their own opinion. LonePirate Jul 2024 #4
No, that could have be countered, with his travel schedule, he was under the weather etc. Instead some brilliant minds JohnSJ Jul 2024 #9
Travel schedule? He returned from Italy on June 15 for a debate on June 27 with a week of prep time at Camp David. LonePirate Jul 2024 #17
I am not proving anything, what you are saying is let's go JohnSJ Jul 2024 #26
It is not a talking point for people on the left who watched the debate. They are not imagining this. LonePirate Jul 2024 #29
The "people on the left", the progressive caucus, are the ones supporting Biden, the JohnSJ Jul 2024 #62
Biden had a really bad night stopdiggin Jul 2024 #104
That's peachy. What do they expect to accomplish by this circus. Biden is not dropping out, and HE IS GOING TO BE THE JohnSJ Jul 2024 #121
no argument stopdiggin Jul 2024 #143
I understand JohnSJ Jul 2024 #144
Well from a purely PR view Blue Full Moon Jul 2024 #150
Really? Tweedy Jul 2024 #37
+++ JohnSJ Jul 2024 #126
Yes he returned from Europe on June 15th and went directly to California MacKasey Jul 2024 #38
How many days after that fundraiser was the debate? 10? 11? LonePirate Jul 2024 #43
You are skipping over the fact that it was one bad night edisdead Jul 2024 #53
Exactly..I guess those that refuse to have our president's back over one bad debate would prefer to push PortTack Jul 2024 #94
Nope. saying that the 'Presidential travel' thing stopdiggin Jul 2024 #110
Do you remember this, where it was, and the date of it? BumRushDaShow Jul 2024 #93
You're aslo skipping the fact that his team were WRONG bluestarone Jul 2024 #136
Especially now that Clooney has turned on him too Bayard Jul 2024 #108
No mention Katcat Jul 2024 #44
Smartest thing he ever did. jimfields33 Jul 2024 #51
When your opposition is tearing itself apart, don't interrupt ..... nt kelly1mm Jul 2024 #139
Have you ever crossed 9 time zones in a few days? Tweedy Jul 2024 #48
There was an OP here yesterday about how long it can take to recover niyad Jul 2024 #61
As A Routine International Traveler... ProfessorGAC Jul 2024 #73
I merely pointed out the study that was quoted. And adding, as you niyad Jul 2024 #138
Those 10 days in Camp David... he was still President of the United States. And answerable for Srkdqltr Jul 2024 #101
You forgot the George Clooney fundraiser in LA Blue Full Moon Jul 2024 #149
These excuses make the hole deeper rather than filling it in. TheKentuckian Jul 2024 #96
IMO, Biden could use better advisors. CrispyQ Jul 2024 #30
I didn't like him talking about the young woman jimfields33 Jul 2024 #50
I watched the debate Tweedy Jul 2024 #33
"Lying is disqualifying." Tell it to the media... dchill Jul 2024 #64
No doubt about it Tweedy Jul 2024 #100
Luckily, it is a very small minority, certainly NOT many, who are lying to themslves... Think. Again. Jul 2024 #55
NO, STOP. IT'S NOT ABOUT THE DEBATE! EastBayGuy Jul 2024 #59
Ok. What's it about then? Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2024 #99
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree - what you are saying about Biden's poor debate performance is true, but PatrickforB Jul 2024 #77
Nicely written. Erda Jul 2024 #148
Unfortunately, these are the images we will see in future GOP ads: JohnnyRingo Jul 2024 #83
Thanks! Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2024 #98
NOBODY ...wants Trump as President in 2025........... Stuart G Jul 2024 #132
People get happy feet Jul 2024 #117
You have 15 recommends for this post, including one from me. Doodley Jul 2024 #142
Yep, democrats should be campaigning against Trump. LisaL Jul 2024 #5
Oligarchs are pressuring them. Time for immunity powers methinks. GreenWave Jul 2024 #7
Well, it's not "us". It is the ASSHOLES, especially BIG MONEY ASSHOLES, doing this. FOR SHAME! Deek1935 Jul 2024 #8
It's sickening. My wife is probably sick of hearing Emile Jul 2024 #10
I agree. texasfiddler Jul 2024 #11
I keep thinking about that quote too! Tweedy Jul 2024 #52
There had better be some heavy-duty backpedaling on the part of certain legislators Ocelot II Jul 2024 #12
And you know they would be fighting non stop if Biden were to actually step aside, LisaL Jul 2024 #13
I only hope those who didn't fall into this trap can pull us out of it. JohnSJ Jul 2024 #18
Post removed Post removed Jul 2024 #32
Could you share a little about these old guys? nt Phoenix61 Jul 2024 #46
You know, all those old guys w dementia who have a masterful grasp of global politics. emulatorloo Jul 2024 #75
Honestly Katcat Jul 2024 #47
I'm beginning to wonder Tree Lady Jul 2024 #54
Your anger will pass. I trust Democrats. If they want Joe to be replaced Autumn Jul 2024 #15
I am really ashamed of those so-called leaders coming out pestering Joe to drop out. However, I am proud Walleye Jul 2024 #16
They don't believe he can win, if they believed he coundn't handle the job they would demand he RESIGN krawhitham Jul 2024 #19
This has gone on long enough. Joe either needs to step aside or the entire party needs to get behind him....NOW! beaglelover Jul 2024 #20
All he has to do is set the direction. Baitball Blogger Jul 2024 #22
Again, if Joe were to step aside, that would only result in more fighting. LisaL Jul 2024 #23
I don't think it will lead to as much infighting as you fear. musicblind Jul 2024 #107
We all wish we could put a stop to this nonsense. But...President Biden is doing what he should do PortTack Jul 2024 #102
He already said he's in at least a dozen times. It's the elected dems and media not listening FloridaBlues Jul 2024 #128
From what I hear, the Clintons haven't been silent. Baitball Blogger Jul 2024 #21
It is about the money in my opinion...we have tape recorded evidence...and I believe Adam Schiff has doomed any Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #25
We were on our way to a landslide victory mcar Jul 2024 #27
As indicated by what? People are now whole cloth spinning TheKentuckian Jul 2024 #111
Oh, pardon me, I'm sure mcar Jul 2024 #125
In what way do you feel your opinion was not "allowed" or in any way repressed? TheKentuckian Jul 2024 #134
30 years ago The Bopper Jul 2024 #28
what does *THE* most delicate body part have to do with anything? Skittles Jul 2024 #141
Impotent rage here. redwitch Jul 2024 #31
Agree mamacita75 Jul 2024 #34
MAGAts will be rattling off the names of Dems who wanted him to drop onandup Jul 2024 #42
And Trump's VP choice was comparing Trump to Hitler. LisaL Jul 2024 #45
Of course we can, and are onandup Jul 2024 #49
Me too ramapo Jul 2024 #36
And if Biden were to step down, they will be fighting non stop about who should be replacing him. LisaL Jul 2024 #39
Many of us--if not all--are frustrated, John peggysue2 Jul 2024 #40
that's exactly what President Biden doing. He's a wise savvy politician PortTack Jul 2024 #109
Republicans are cowards.. But Democrats are like cats Across-the-Desk Jul 2024 #56
Agree republianmushroom Jul 2024 #57
If they didn't believe Joe could win, they would not have bothered. 58Sunliner Jul 2024 #58
Yep. cilla4progress Jul 2024 #60
What will they do if he doesn't drop out? A question more for the politicians asking JohnSJ Jul 2024 #69
Thank You for your post Baggies Jul 2024 #63
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2024 #65
That isn't the point. What are they going to do when Biden is the nominee? JohnSJ Jul 2024 #71
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2024 #76
Blame Steve Schmidt New Breed Leader Jul 2024 #67
I suspect there are several people who have come up with this "brilliant" JohnSJ Jul 2024 #81
Actually Schmidt has shifted and is now pushing against JRB, and probably the Dems. He not the whole story PortTack Jul 2024 #105
Why would we follow Schmidt is beyond me. Because he is anti-trump doesn't mean he is pro Democratic JohnSJ Jul 2024 #120
na. They may have hurt their own re-election Roc2020 Jul 2024 #68
The problem isn't Biden voters, or even never trumpets, it is the independents that I think will win or lose the electio JohnSJ Jul 2024 #84
The GOP is like herding sheep, Dan Jul 2024 #72
You can herd cats by opening a can of tuna; they'll come running. Ocelot II Jul 2024 #79
Putin's bdamomma Jul 2024 #74
Nailed it! PortTack Jul 2024 #103
So Putin got to Schiff and Brown? totodeinhere Jul 2024 #114
You really think Putin soandso Jul 2024 #137
"We don't need republicans to hurt us, we are doing quite a good job of it ourselves." DFW Jul 2024 #78
and that is why this situation is so frustrating and infuriating JohnSJ Jul 2024 #86
But why is, oh so predictively, "Democrats snatching defeat from the jaws of victory," even a thing? NBachers Jul 2024 #106
I really wish I could know who to be mad at. bullimiami Jul 2024 #80
We have no choice. roamer65 Jul 2024 #82
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2024 #89
The Democratic Party has the best interests of the American people at heart. musicblind Jul 2024 #85
Just remember who they are and never let them forget it. Joinfortmill Jul 2024 #87
You are preaching to the choir here for sure on that. JohnSJ Jul 2024 #90
Ya those senators and congressional members are mot as smart as us oldmanlynn Jul 2024 #95
Carville... GiqueCee Jul 2024 #97
I agree with you a million times over. Vinca Jul 2024 #113
It genuinely appears as if they want a brokered convention. And it appears on the surface to be led by a contingent Texin Jul 2024 #115
We (on DU) can't get along anymore BunnyMcGee Jul 2024 #116
Bookmarking. rzemanfl Jul 2024 #147
I understand your anger. But, totodeinhere Jul 2024 #118
The establishment Dems are handing the election to Trump Dopers_Greed Jul 2024 #119
Yes, but the longer they keep this garbage going, the only thing it will accomplish is make the poll numbers worse. It JohnSJ Jul 2024 #122
This is the worst I've seen in a long time. alarimer Jul 2024 #123
You and me both. raccoon Jul 2024 #127
I smell rethuglicans and thus Russian influence. Though we have plenty of oligarchs here and they are involved heavily captain queeg Jul 2024 #129
"Never attribute to malice that which Xoan Jul 2024 #131
Whether stupidity or malice means very little if the outcome is the same JohnSJ Jul 2024 #133
Do you want fascism? Because this is how you get fascism. Initech Jul 2024 #135
Well said. mzmolly Jul 2024 #140
"they don't believe he can handle the job" Martin Eden Jul 2024 #145
A Grateful Nation, FeelingBlue Jul 2024 #146
I called Bennett, Hickenloper and Crow, told them Hotler Jul 2024 #151
I called Bennet and Hickenlooper too mountain grammy Jul 2024 #152
I would be mad at the New York Times wolfie001 Jul 2024 #153
First I want to say I will vote for whoever is the democratic nominee TheDemsshouldhireme Jul 2024 #154
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