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72. It's unsettling BUT I prefer this
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 09:34 PM
Sep 18

over 2,000 pound bombs lobbed indiscriminately on innocent civilians in Gaza (assuming the IDF did their homework first and they were sure that the pagers would only be used by hezbollah).

What many people have been demanding all along was for Israel to use their intelligence capabilities to carry out their mission in a more sophisticated manner--to stop with the indiscriminate killing, and to fight the actual planners / perpetrators of the various attacks.

So even though my first reaction to the "pager" attack was one of disgust, if it's true that most (preferably all) of the injured were active hezbollah fighters then I can accept that carnage as part of the ugliness of war.

The indiscrimination of it was proven out by the result. bullimiami Sep 18 #1
Who loaded cell phones with bombs and let them float around till they kill someone? AZSkiffyGeek Sep 18 #2
That has been my question also. Im told Israel diverted them and loaded them and Hesbollah never noticed Srkdqltr Sep 18 #33
Those were pagers, not cellphones. tinrobot Sep 18 #42
I would hazard a guess that Hizbollah won't anymore. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 18 #49
+ 1 soandso Sep 18 #87
The world is not the US sarisataka Sep 18 #50
They used pagers because they can't be monitored and surveilled and tracked like cellphones. TheRickles Sep 18 #52
Also read drs and nurses use pagers because cell phones can be spotty womanofthehills Sep 18 #77
Mossad are very good at that sort of thing - and VERY patient AZSkiffyGeek Sep 18 #48
That would be terrorism, has anyone done that? sarisataka Sep 18 #3
+1 Dave Bowman Sep 18 #4
I think the reference is to the pagers loaded with explosives that Israel sold to members of militant (terrorist) groups JT45242 Sep 18 #5
No more certain they can be than that a bullet fired in combat only hits the enemy. nt LAS14 Sep 18 #10
Actually this is more like an IED... ExciteBike66 Sep 18 #45
It's been reported Israel also tampered with car radios womanofthehills Sep 19 #96
Reported by whom? MarineCombatEngineer Sep 19 #115
Because they were obtained through specific channels by Hezbollah. MineralMan Sep 18 #12
They were distributed 5 months ago - womanofthehills Sep 18 #79
You don't know that soandso Sep 18 #88
Just reposting what's being reported womanofthehills Sep 19 #97
Things are about to get much worse, I'm afraid soandso Sep 19 #102
I doubt that Hezbollah members were giving out pagers intended for Hezbollah communications onenote Sep 19 #92
Perhaps so. However, how would someone use a pager MineralMan Sep 19 #120
Hezbollah uses pagers because cell phones are more easily tracked. If this was a bulk order placed by LauraInLA Sep 18 #13
They were not sold by Israel sarisataka Sep 18 #18
But wouldn't Hezbollah have noticed that the package was diverted and tampered with? Srkdqltr Sep 18 #24
Apparently not. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 18 #25
Wonder if they will leave a one star review... ExciteBike66 Sep 18 #47
LOL. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 18 #51
If it was diverted, maybe sarisataka Sep 18 #30
Taiwanese company soandso Sep 18 #89
More on BAC soandso Sep 19 #90
You already answered your own question. TheKentuckian Sep 19 #104
Oh yes. It is terrorism of the worst sort! Richard D Sep 18 #6
I agree that Israel is held to higher standards, but they're eroding... LAS14 Sep 18 #16
Takes two states to have a two state solution...that would Israel and who? CincyDem Sep 18 #38
That's part of what all interested parties need to work on. LAS14 Sep 18 #55
Now just out of curiosity . . . Richard D Sep 18 #44
See my reply #55. nt LAS14 Sep 18 #56
Of course, Hamas is interested in a two state solution... MichMan Sep 19 #113
I would say Israel is held to unique standards sarisataka Sep 18 #46
I totally agree. nt LAS14 Sep 18 #57
Another way to expand the war. Some forces in Israel seem to not want it to end brush Sep 18 #82
Do you think Hezbollah is an innocent party? onenote Sep 19 #93
Maybe if the IDF/Likud/Netanyahu hadn't obliterated Gaza and continued/continues to violently steal land in the... brush Sep 19 #94
Most Definitely IF Hamas hadn't snuck into Israel Cha Sep 19 #101
Maybe if HAMAs hadn't invaded Israel and inflicted horrors on Israeli citizens and others, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 19 #117
See post 114. Maybe netanyahu should've reenforced the border when warned... brush Sep 19 #118
Thank you for your informative post, Richard D. Cha Sep 19 #99
Pagers and Walkie-Talkies. Not Cell Phones. MineralMan Sep 18 #7
This is more targeted than drone strikes, which was touted as the most discriminating form of warfare. LauraInLA Sep 18 #8
People have strong opinions on this Johnny2X2X Sep 18 #9
I think this post is on target. Happy Hoosier Sep 18 #15
As I said above, it is more discriminating than drone strikes, which were originally intended to avoid as many LauraInLA Sep 18 #19
"a lot of civilians were harmed" -- do you have a specific link? onenote Sep 18 #63
Agree with Johnny2x on this. Regardless B.See Sep 18 #84
Terrorism generally targets civilians. Happy Hoosier Sep 18 #11
There are videos available showing the pagers exploding sarisataka Sep 18 #22
It was targeted towards members of Hezbollah. Elessar Zappa Sep 18 #14
Nobody loaded cell phones with explosives and let them float around. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 18 #17
BEEPERS were purchased by Hezbollah and given to Hezbollah members. Coventina Sep 18 #20
Yes they were used by terrorists who happened to be standing in streets, markets, hospitals, etc. Nanjeanne Sep 18 #21
I wouldn't consider this type of attack in the US to be terrorism if our government was allowing rockets to be launched WDLAL Sep 19 #109
Tell me how posting false information is acceptable? MarineCombatEngineer Sep 18 #23
When it comes to Israel, it seems not only to be acceptable for some DUers, but automatic. onenote Sep 18 #64
tHEy sTaRTed iT! tenderfoot Sep 18 #26
Wasn't that the excuse for October 7? sarisataka Sep 18 #36
I'll tell ya, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 18 #37
Wasn't that the day Benjamin Netanyahu let Hamas attack Israel tenderfoot Sep 18 #59
Hezbollah has a hell of a propaganda machine. nt LexVegas Sep 18 #27
Yes they do, and the gullible just keep falling for it. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 18 #29
You mistake the gullible for the complicit. tritsofme Sep 18 #31
You're right, my bad. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 18 #35
Microtargeting of terrorist organizations is actually JCMach1 Sep 18 #28
No one did what you posted. former9thward Sep 18 #32
False information. (Zero stars.) 🔲 Oopsie Daisy Sep 18 #34
My guess is there is/was a mole in the terrorist group that helped. Freethinker65 Sep 18 #39
And extremely brilliant, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 18 #43
Rec. Xavier Breath Sep 18 #40
tell me what really happened eShirl Sep 18 #41
Please, tell me. I'm sincerely asking the question. Rustynaerduwell Sep 18 #69
Have the attacks stopped? Have the hostages been freed? TheKentuckian Sep 19 #105
I would remind everyone that we are only a few laws and regulations away... OldBaldy1701E Sep 18 #53
It's not terrorism. BannonsLiver Sep 18 #54
You said you were going to correct the error, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 18 #58
Yes. I noticed that, too. MineralMan Sep 18 #61
Amazing. Jirel Sep 18 #60
What's amazing is that you left this part out, intentionally I suspect, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 18 #62
Why do you think we would be using terrorist attacks against Israel that would TheKentuckian Sep 18 #65
Not so sure. qwlauren35 Sep 18 #75
yup Skittles Sep 18 #86
So correct the error, why has it taken you hours? nt BWdem4life Sep 18 #66
Maybe I'm an idiot. Please, correct me. Rustynaerduwell Sep 18 #71
Why does the subject line that everyone sees still say cell phones? BWdem4life Sep 19 #91
I didn't know I could. Rustynaerduwell Sep 19 #112
They used C4 Plastic explosives. Jacson6 Sep 18 #67
So, here we are, 6 hours later, after you said that you would correct the false info, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 18 #68
The new suicide bomber malaise Sep 18 #70
It's unsettling BUT I prefer this ecstatic Sep 18 #72
You have struck the essence of the "suggestions" sarisataka Sep 18 #83
What is this "floating around" of which you speak? BlueSpot Sep 18 #73
I should have said "Letting them be in the hands of people floating around a civilian population until Rustynaerduwell Sep 18 #74
It certainly does BlueSpot Sep 18 #76
They don't report to a secured base or pop off to the wilderness for retreats TheKentuckian Sep 19 #106
Because ForgedCrank Sep 18 #78
It's terrorism. Plain and simple, as is the violent theft of land in the West Bank... brush Sep 18 #80
The poor, poor put upon "freedom fighters" don't even know what equipment to trust anymore! TheKentuckian Sep 19 #107
This happened in a totally different country! jimfields33 Sep 19 #110
Protecting their country, huh? Nearly a year later it's still not explained why... brush Sep 19 #114
way to make up crap NoRethugFriends Sep 18 #81
of course it is terrorism Skittles Sep 18 #85
Netanyahu must really need to start a war with Iran... AntiFascist Sep 19 #95
Terrorism or not Mountainguy Sep 19 #98
I can't. Because it absolutely is. (n/t) Iggo Sep 19 #100
What floating around 'til they kill someone? betsuni Sep 19 #103
LOL... that's not a correction. It's just a small footnote. Why wasn't the subject/title corrected? Oopsie Daisy Sep 19 #108
I didn't know I could change the headline. Rustynaerduwell Sep 19 #111
Yep... that's a nice feature, isn't it? Oopsie Daisy Sep 19 #119
There have been rumors melm00se Sep 19 #116
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