Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

iemanja

(54,812 posts)
29. And any amount of carnage is fine with you?
Tue Oct 1, 2024, 11:08 PM
Oct 1

One person was killed the Iranian strikes. That person was Palestinian, so subhuman according to Bibi and his defenders. How many lives should Israel take in return? Should it wipe Iran off the face of the map?

Iran saw those strikes as retaliation for Israel's bombing of Lebanon and Yemen. Israel saw its strike as retaliation for the Houthi and Hezbollah bombings, and those groups saw their actions as retaliation for the pager and walkie talky incidents, in addition to Gaza. Israel struck Gaza in retaliation for Oct 7. Hamas saw Oct 7 as retaliation for Israeli occupation. Israel occupied the West Bank and eventually walled off Gaza as a result of wars with Jordan and Egypt, which saw their actions as justified by their opposition to Israel's settling on Arab land--land that people who later came to be known as Palestinians lived on. The cycle goes on. You trace it to Oct. 7. Some will trace it to the Balfour declaration. The full result of it all is an endless cycle of death, yet you want it to continue. How long? To how many more countries? How many should die? You've indicated you don't object to trading of nuclear weapons because of the attacks on Israel, that retaliation is what matters. What if this all results in more Israeli death? Will that matter? Or is the goal war itself? Has it ever occurred to you that Israel's reactions might be making its citizens less safe rather than more? Justification is not the same thing as effectiveness.

I don't disagree that Israel has a right to defend itself, but it's getting out of control, and the USA is getting pulled into it. If the terrorists, Israel and Iran want to wipe themselves out, I can't stop them, and it seems that the US' diplomatic efforts can't stop them either. But It's another thing to do that with US financial and diplomatic, and possibly even military, support. That I vehemently object to.

I wish the people living in the apartments would not allow the jimfields33 Oct 1 #1
Sarcasm, I presume? onandup Oct 1 #2
I wish they could do something. jimfields33 Oct 1 #3
It destroyed several high rise apartment buildings onandup Oct 1 #6
Tough situation. jimfields33 Oct 1 #7
Right iemanja Oct 1 #17
Terrorists certainly don't. That's who I blame solely. jimfields33 Oct 1 #20
Well, that won't matter iemanja Oct 1 #21
Who knows what will happen. I do know Israel can't just say, "oh cool 150 bombs from Iran just arrived". jimfields33 Oct 1 #24
And any amount of carnage is fine with you? iemanja Oct 1 #29
Kill for peace! Klarkashton Oct 1 #26
Did I miss the part Mountainguy Oct 1 #4
Details, details, sarisataka Oct 1 #8
+1. legitimate targets stopdiggin Oct 1 #10
The tweet explicitly states the reason was civilian casualties onandup Oct 1 #12
Are you serious? Mountainguy Oct 1 #13
Hmmm....tough to think of an example. Let me ask my Japanese friend. I'll be right back. CincyDem Oct 1 #28
The Tweet is simply a lie from the get go. Jk23 Oct 1 #23
Some leave out important background info and Context.. Cha Oct 1 #25
Just their bad luck I guess FullySupportDems Oct 1 #5
people in your neighborhood are lobbing missiles (daily)? stopdiggin Oct 1 #9
Yes, that is my point FullySupportDems Oct 1 #14
so when the terrorists go to ground in your neighborhood stopdiggin Oct 1 #15
Like I said originally, just bad luck then FullySupportDems Oct 1 #22
to a degree, yes. stopdiggin Oct 1 #30
Yes, but it doesn't sound good when you say it out loud FullySupportDems Oct 1 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author iemanja Oct 1 #19
2 different situations. And we did many other attacks JI7 Oct 1 #11
Pakistan has nuclear weapons Johonny Oct 1 #16
Remember the fringe left shitting on Obama for using drones? nt LexVegas Oct 1 #18
Oh yeah. Cha Oct 1 #27
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Obama Team declined dropp...»Reply #29