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In reply to the discussion: Obama Team declined dropping huge bomb to kill Bin Laden, concerned with civilian casualties [View all]iemanja
(54,812 posts)One person was killed the Iranian strikes. That person was Palestinian, so subhuman according to Bibi and his defenders. How many lives should Israel take in return? Should it wipe Iran off the face of the map?
Iran saw those strikes as retaliation for Israel's bombing of Lebanon and Yemen. Israel saw its strike as retaliation for the Houthi and Hezbollah bombings, and those groups saw their actions as retaliation for the pager and walkie talky incidents, in addition to Gaza. Israel struck Gaza in retaliation for Oct 7. Hamas saw Oct 7 as retaliation for Israeli occupation. Israel occupied the West Bank and eventually walled off Gaza as a result of wars with Jordan and Egypt, which saw their actions as justified by their opposition to Israel's settling on Arab land--land that people who later came to be known as Palestinians lived on. The cycle goes on. You trace it to Oct. 7. Some will trace it to the Balfour declaration. The full result of it all is an endless cycle of death, yet you want it to continue. How long? To how many more countries? How many should die? You've indicated you don't object to trading of nuclear weapons because of the attacks on Israel, that retaliation is what matters. What if this all results in more Israeli death? Will that matter? Or is the goal war itself? Has it ever occurred to you that Israel's reactions might be making its citizens less safe rather than more? Justification is not the same thing as effectiveness.
I don't disagree that Israel has a right to defend itself, but it's getting out of control, and the USA is getting pulled into it. If the terrorists, Israel and Iran want to wipe themselves out, I can't stop them, and it seems that the US' diplomatic efforts can't stop them either. But It's another thing to do that with US financial and diplomatic, and possibly even military, support. That I vehemently object to.