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karynnj

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48. I really don't know whether the pardons would help or hurt.
Mon Dec 9, 2024, 01:00 PM
Dec 2024

It is clear that the people Trump wants in the DOJ, FBI etc are being selected, as he promised, for retribution. That campaign promise coupled with his choices in that very vein, mean that his administration will investigate, indict and try many people who have broken no laws. In part, this will be what he actually wanted to do in the first term and something that might equate the charges against himself and his people to what in most cases will be totally bogus çharges.

So, there are two ways to look at the blanket pardons. They will almost certainly be called admission of guilt by Trump and other Republicans. Many people covered might not want them for that reason. It also might normalize the practice of an administration, with the extreme version of immunity considering they can break any inconvenient law.

On the other hand, many lives of many innocent people will be destroyed by having to deal with charges. Some like Fauci, a respected long term public servant, could face CT based charges. That would be a huge miscarriage of justice against a man in his 80s. Could a preemptive pardon avoid that?

The other factor to consider is that pardons may not avoid these cases. If other people are the ones charged, those pardoned can still be investigated and called to testify. For instance, would Comer have stopped the Hunter investigation,which was really a Joe Biden investigation, had Hunter been pardoned as soon as the plea bargain fell apart?

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These are extraordinary times and circumstances bucolic_frolic Dec 2024 #1
I really don't know whether the pardons would help or hurt. karynnj Dec 2024 #48
And what will be her attitude when Trump pardons everyone from January 6? no_hypocrisy Dec 2024 #2
A minor tut-tut Prairie Gates Dec 2024 #25
Yeah, trusting republicans is just not a smart move. At all. Think. Again. Dec 2024 #3
I'm not a fan of the way republicans and trump have harassed Hunter Biden for the last 8 years. Autumn Dec 2024 #4
Let's face it, some democrats weren't that good to Biden either. LisaL Dec 2024 #6
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2024 #31
Kind of... 2naSalit Dec 2024 #7
Not her son. Magoo48 Dec 2024 #5
I genuinely like Amy, but WTF does she think we're dealing with? Crunchy Frog Dec 2024 #8
Why is this so hard to understand?????? Submariner Dec 2024 #9
The problem with that is even after the election, the same thing was said EdmondDantes_ Dec 2024 #38
Understandable Submariner Dec 2024 #47
The press secretary repeated what was until Biden announced a pardon the official position karynnj Dec 2024 #49
Amy, you are wrong about Hunter's pardon and Emile Dec 2024 #10
HEY,Amy Conjuay Dec 2024 #11
I am sick of Dems pretending this is a nation of laws. SamKnause Dec 2024 #12
Do you consider yourself to be a law abiding citizen? Kaleva Dec 2024 #22
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You are fine with the current laws then Kaleva Dec 2024 #33
That is another not so subtle way of normalizing and legitimizing the sociopath, and it is disgusting that some JohnSJ Dec 2024 #32
Another Democrat eaten for her comments. Silent Type Dec 2024 #13
She brought that shit on herself Blue_Tires Dec 2024 #15
+8 Emile Dec 2024 #36
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She's wrong though. Happy Hoosier Dec 2024 #19
Which laws are you not following? Kaleva Dec 2024 #21
Oh they still apply to us peons... Happy Hoosier Dec 2024 #37
ha ha Blues Heron Dec 2024 #28
She can't be criticized for her position on an issue SocialDemocrat61 Dec 2024 #40
Sadly DeepWinter Dec 2024 #14
We'll see who's still outraged Blue_Tires Dec 2024 #16
I don't think he'll pardon himself until he is about to leave office Polybius Dec 2024 #41
They still think the old rules apply somehow. Happy Hoosier Dec 2024 #20
Seems Naive ProfessorGAC Dec 2024 #17
I'm a fan of 1,000 preemptive pardons Prairie Gates Dec 2024 #23
Bla, bla, bla, shut up. Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #24
law says you can pardon, so get over it. Blues Heron Dec 2024 #26
Wanting to believe that the law will be just when the SlobFather is screaming it WONT is not smart. NoMoreRepugs Dec 2024 #27
Do these Ds really believe what they are saying or are they really glad for the pardon and only saying in2herbs Dec 2024 #30
Better to say nothing then. kacekwl Dec 2024 #35
Tough shit Amy. kacekwl Dec 2024 #34
My question about preemptive pardons is this- Alice B. Dec 2024 #39
I've never been a fan of Klobuchar either the_liberal_grandpa Dec 2024 #42
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Amy's trying to figure out how to navigate as a Democrat in the new era of American Fascism. jalan48 Dec 2024 #43
She's not one of the ones under the gun GaYellowDawg Dec 2024 #45
We will see how she likes the convicted felons pardons. republianmushroom Dec 2024 #46
Was she okay with Trumps pardons? Historic NY Dec 2024 #51
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