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In reply to the discussion: Clyburn is wrong. [View all]

Crunchy Frog

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12. I feel that pardoning him would send a signal of weakness and submission
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 10:23 PM
Dec 2024

on the part of the Democratic Party, and would contribute to the narrative that Dump did nothing wrong. It is genuinely the worst possible signal they could send.

It would also serve to alienate a lot of people, myself included. It would likely set the Dems up to be a permanent minority party, there to give the illusion of democracy when there is none. There to go along to get along, maintaining their comfortable positions while the country goes to shit.

This would not be an acceptable move for the party.

He doesn't even need to be pardoned as he is at no risk whatsoever of ever facing any consequences. It would do nothing but give him and his actions a degree of unearned legitimacy

Clyburn is wrong. [View all] EndlessWire Dec 2024 OP
K&R Think. Again. Dec 2024 #1
K&R Docreed2003 Dec 2024 #2
Giving a ruthless, dangerous psychopath more power is very dangerous. Irish_Dem Dec 2024 #3
"Giving a ruthless, dangerous psychopath more power" speak easy Dec 2024 #62
Write to the White House Felicita Dec 2024 #67
Agree, prison for trump republianmushroom Dec 2024 #4
I know one thing, 3 years of trying to put trump in jail didn't gain us any votes. In fact, Silent Type Dec 2024 #5
False. W_HAMILTON Dec 2024 #13
biden, garland, and wray proved that we are feckless and ineffective rampartd Dec 2024 #14
We is who? KPN Dec 2024 #29
Personally, Pence should have ordered a firing squad midnight Jan 6th. I don't think anyone would have said Silent Type Dec 2024 #22
Here, here!! ECL213 Dec 2024 #59
I'm going to stick with doing what's right, avoiding doing what's wrong krkaufman Dec 2024 #21
Who thought it would gain votes? I didn't. It was still the right thing to do. Wingus Dingus Dec 2024 #46
Do what? He walked. He beat us. Silent Type Dec 2024 #47
Do you only do the right thing when you're sure to gain some material benefit? Wingus Dingus Dec 2024 #48
You win, I support eating/bashing/shunning Clyburn, Fetterman, Shapiro, etc. Silent Type Dec 2024 #49
Wait--what did Shapiro do? Lulu KC Dec 2024 #70
On a brighter note... Conjuay Dec 2024 #58
+1. Many of us will spend the next four years -- when BREAKING NEW starts flashing -- hoping this is the big one. Silent Type Dec 2024 #63
What harm will come to trump if he is not pardoned? BOSSHOG Dec 2024 #6
Exactly. NONE. Even after he leaves office he'll drag out whatever anyone does Callie1979 Dec 2024 #76
Yes it is really twilight zone worthy Meowmee Dec 2024 #7
Agreed Mad_Machine76 Dec 2024 #8
+1 InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2024 #9
IMHO Timewas Dec 2024 #10
If he had actually been punished, then you can make a case for clemency CanonRay Dec 2024 #11
I agree. He does not deserve a pardon. Trueblue1968 Dec 2024 #31
I feel that pardoning him would send a signal of weakness and submission Crunchy Frog Dec 2024 #12
It would alienate me as well. No more interest after that, just give up stage. lostnfound Dec 2024 #25
Maybe . . . AverageOldGuy Dec 2024 #15
I think it's personal, not generational... whathehell Dec 2024 #79
It's fuckin' Lucy and the football routine! poli-junkie Dec 2024 #16
Ford pardoning Nixon lead to tRump. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2024 #17
I was dead wrong SCantiGOP Dec 2024 #24
Of Course It Did DallasNE Dec 2024 #42
Trump is a criminal Jarqui Dec 2024 #18
Totally agree vapor2 Dec 2024 #19
If he was pardoned KT2000 Dec 2024 #20
Can Biden do a conditional pardon? "I hereby pardon the MFing POS on condition he passes Democratic Silent Type Dec 2024 #23
You would trust the liar? Felicita Dec 2024 #66
Agree, but if he volates the conditions the Pardon would be rescinded. Silent Type Dec 2024 #68
Brian Tyler Cohen says it best; djacq Dec 2024 #26
This was excellent explanation of how I feel and an awesome recap. SamKnause Dec 2024 #52
Pardoning Trump is the worst idea I've ever heard dlk Dec 2024 #27
He SOLD our secrets to Putin. Why the fuck are these people talking about onecaliberal Dec 2024 #28
K&R UTUSN Dec 2024 #30
"Zero Tolerance" BurnDoubt Dec 2024 #32
What's in it for Clyburn? jalan48 Dec 2024 #33
I guess I'm behind enough to not even have heard this, but I can't even fathom the "logic" behind it JHB Dec 2024 #34
Pardon the mother Fucker FHRRK Dec 2024 #35
Really? IF we get to genuinely vote again. You Do want our Democracy as Imperfect as it is back, don't you? electric_blue68 Dec 2024 #40
Really! FHRRK Dec 2024 #43
They tried to take My vote Away, too! What, then. Keep voting, or letting Repugs win by not voting? Things are like... electric_blue68 Dec 2024 #45
Pardoning Nixon was the undoing of the country. Hope22 Dec 2024 #36
Also letting Hitler's allies in the USA get away with it. GreenWave Dec 2024 #80
True! Hope22 Dec 2024 #81
I do not agree with Clyburn. LittleGirl Dec 2024 #37
I respect Clyburn, and he's Wrong on This Issue!... electric_blue68 Dec 2024 #38
Why does he need a pardon with presidential immunity? Nt Hope22 Dec 2024 #39
Clyburn is 84 years old. generalbetrayus Dec 2024 #41
I have been catching up True Blue American Dec 2024 #55
Trump has no mercy bmichaelh Dec 2024 #44
Pardon the head insurrectionist, classified documents thief, Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2024 #50
You are correct, Clyburn is wrong, very wrong. SamKnause Dec 2024 #51
well said Meowmee Dec 2024 #53
Also... Mike Nelson Dec 2024 #54
He actually used the verb "targeted" BeyondGeography Dec 2024 #56
Thank you bdamomma Dec 2024 #57
I heard someone say on the Thom Hartmann show that Clyburn made a deal Clouds Passing Dec 2024 #60
trump is the fallout for pardoning Nixon. Pardoning trump just furthers the injustice of it...nt Wounded Bear Dec 2024 #61
No way should Biden pardon Trump. That is an insane suggestion. Martin68 Dec 2024 #64
Well said! Felicita Dec 2024 #65
No pardon, that is not justice Progressive dog Dec 2024 #69
Serious question Lulu KC Dec 2024 #71
It's just another form of "obeying in advance." returnee Dec 2024 #72
"..beyond furious." Yes indeed. Evolve Dammit Dec 2024 #73
very well said. Evolve Dammit Dec 2024 #74
K&R !!! iluvtennis Dec 2024 #75
Only positive I see is it would be embarrassing for Trump. Callie1979 Dec 2024 #77
Couldn't agree more. FoxNewsSucks Dec 2024 #78
Clyburn has a bad habit of being ThePartyThatListens Dec 2024 #82
It's that old definition of insanity... Shipwack Dec 2024 #83
President Biden should not pardon trump LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2024 #84
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