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In reply to the discussion: Breaking [View all]TommyT139
(1,408 posts)53. Not just magats - "abatement ab initio"
There was a lot of discussion when Trump got the 34 guilty verdicts, about how to refer to him. More importantly, Trump needs to be sentenced, in order to be able to appeal, in order to complete the court process. He is after all old, in poor health, and likely to walk past open windows.
Abatement ab initio refers to the rule stating, if a defendant dies while appealing their conviction, that conviction is vacated. This rule comes from the principle that a party who dies during the appeal process has unwillingly been stripped of their appellate rights and therefore abatement of the conviction preserves those rights.
Abatement ab initio has far-reaching effects on victims of wrongdoing who, due to the vacated conviction, are no longer entitled to whatever damages or compensation they were initially awarded. For example, in United States v. Estates of Parson, plaintiffs could not collect on the $1.3 million they were awarded due to defendants fraud because the defendant passed away while appealing. As a result, the continued existence of abatement ab initio is controversial.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/abatement
If I recall correctly, this was the situation in Massachusetts until the Aaron Hernandez case. In jail for murder, he committed suicide, so the verdict was essentially erased.
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OK. Lucky, go get the ball! That's a good girl. Let go of that ball! Stop slobbering on that ball!
GreenWave
Jan 2025
#6
This is the NYS case with Judge Merchan for which a jury found him quilty of 34 felonies
karynnj
Jan 2025
#61
Today's decision *only* denied the requested delay for the sentencing hearing.
Ocelot II
Jan 2025
#39
Actually I am expecting an Unconditional Discharge - no penalty, but he is still a convicted felon, forever.
soldierant
Jan 2025
#47
That's because you didn't look at the DU home page. It's there. . . . . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Jan 2025
#16
Multiple attorneys have ben discussing this all week. Not as news, but as an explanation
soldierant
Jan 2025
#49
Personally, I'd just as soon sentencing didn't happen now. Merchan has already said it won't involve any sanctions.
Silent Type
Jan 2025
#5
Now their train of thought will change to, "he was convicted of a 'crime' that carried no sanctions, he's still Prez."
Silent Type
Jan 2025
#11
Trump and his puppet lawyers giving me PTSD flash backs of the Manson trials
Attilatheblond
Jan 2025
#27