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Spike89

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29. It isn't an unlimited right to bear any arms
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:10 PM
Dec 2012

It doesn't actually say "for defense" and it certainly doesn't cover all arms. Fully automatic machine guns, grenades, rocket-launchers, these are all small arms and these are all banned and although there is a small amount of trade in illegal military-grade weapons in the US, there certainly isn't an epidemic--when was the last mass shooting involving a fully-automatic machine gun, a grenade, etc.?

No one seems to have a problem with rocket launchers being banned, but of course the same constitution that protects your .22 single-shot squirrel rifle should allow us to bear any arms, right? No, we've long ago decided that full machine guns and such are not covered. It is not unreasonable or any more anti-constitutional to examine whether the bar needs to be set to prohibit large (more than 10 rounds?) magazines, and other technologies that tip the scale from hunting and reasonable personal protection to mass murder and mayhem.

The fall-back argument that we need the weapons to oppose tyranny are especially silly--you aren't going to win against tanks, drones, F-15s, fully equipped and armored marines in a fighting vehicle, or a bomb you never see coming.

Gun control and regulation is not prohibited by the constitution. There is no slippery slope.

well MrDiaz Dec 2012 #1
Being able to move in our society Fresh_Start Dec 2012 #2
Nobody is stopping you MrDiaz Dec 2012 #5
"...the ones who do so legally do not commit crimes." 99Forever Dec 2012 #6
You really need to look at some statistics Fresh_Start Dec 2012 #11
lots? really MrDiaz Dec 2012 #15
Actually that map says nothing. What it does is take violent crime per 100,000 and divide it by the Flabbergasted Dec 2012 #34
No our Constitution does not give us that right. Rights exist with or without words on paper. jody Dec 2012 #16
Dependent clauses is not your strong point nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #35
But it's not giving up "our" freedom...it's giving up THEIR freedom for OUR security HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #3
Grow up. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #9
So bye then. HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #10
There is always a market for banned substances and items. nt Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #27
Nope, not afraid of that treestar Dec 2012 #13
Among the things being proposed HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #14
That is not a big problem treestar Dec 2012 #18
In your mind it's not a big problem. HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #21
Adam Lanza had no previous history of violence treestar Dec 2012 #22
You say generically "mental illness" do you mean many / any MI should disqualify a person? HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #25
Certainly anyone who has been institutionalized treestar Dec 2012 #30
I'll take that as meaning NOT every person with mental illness, HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #31
Please don't give them any more ideas. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #26
That went away with the Patriot Act. hobbit709 Dec 2012 #4
Nobody is talking about people "giving up" their guns entirely. I hope. reformist2 Dec 2012 #7
Many TheMoreYouKnow Dec 2012 #23
That's simply not true. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #32
Have you been reading a different DU or something? (nt) Posteritatis Dec 2012 #36
If you don't understand RegieRocker Dec 2012 #8
the sale or purchase of a firearm shall be at a brick and mortar ffl. MrYikes Dec 2012 #12
Might not be a bad idea. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #33
I don't have kids, and was horrified Patiod Dec 2012 #17
Far worse than the civil defense drills we used to have treestar Dec 2012 #19
I will gladly give up all of my guns... rugger1869 Dec 2012 #20
Who is giving up going to school or movie theaters? TheMoreYouKnow Dec 2012 #24
How ironic! But you probably don't recognize the irony. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #28
It isn't an unlimited right to bear any arms Spike89 Dec 2012 #29
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