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Ocelot II

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14. Apparently there were no lapses; that is, nothing is actually missing.
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 12:22 PM
Nov 17

But it looks like Lindsey Hooligan might have lied about the manner in which she presented the indictment to the grand jury.

What happened is that the prosecutor had presented the grand jury with two inconsistent indictments, the first with three counts and the second removing the first count. Both indictments were fully executed by grand jury foreperson and the prosecutor. After questioning the GJ foreperson the magistrate judge accepted the return of the second signed indictment, which was a new indictment that would have been presented to the GJ before being returned in open court. It now appears that may not have happened. The prosecutor stated that after the grand jury was left to deliberate on the first indictment at approximately 4:28 p.m., she had no further contact with the grand jury, and that about two hours later the acting assistant USA notified her that the grand jury returned a true bill on only two of the three counts of the first indictment. The prosecutor then went to the courtroom for the return of the indictment. The hearing on the return of the indictment began only about 7 minutes later.

The short time span between the moment the prosecutor learned that the grand jury rejected one count in the original indictment and the time the prosecutor appeared in court to return the second indictment could not have been sufficient to draft the second indictment, sign the second indictment, present it to the grand jury, provide legal instructions to the grand jury, and give them an opportunity to deliberate and render a decision on the new indictment. If the prosecutor is mistaken about the time she received notification of the grand jury’s vote on the original indictment, and this procedure did take place, then the transcript and audio recording provided to the Court are incomplete. If this procedure did not take place, then the Court is in uncharted legal territory in that the indictment returned in open court was not the same charging document presented to and deliberated upon by the grand jury.

If the Court is to read the prosecutor’s declaration as suggesting there was no contact between any government official and the grand jury after 4:28 p.m., then it begs the question of how the then-First Assistant learned that the grand jury had refused to indict on one count, and how the First Assistant knew which count had been rejected by the grand jury, all before the indictment was returned in open court.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.582135/gov.uscourts.vaed.582135.191.0.pdf

What the judge didn't say, but what I suspect happened, is that Insurance Lawyer Halligan didn't want to present an indictment that included a count as to which the GJ found no probable cause - she wanted to be able to say they'd indicted Comey on all counts. But it looks like she never actually presented the second, two-count indictment at all.

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Wow, that's a legal black swan event! Ocelot II Nov 17 #1
Do they have all of it? gab13by13 Nov 17 #6
Apparently there were no lapses; that is, nothing is actually missing. Ocelot II Nov 17 #14
Is she this bad Johonny Nov 17 #20
Probably both. She obviously doesn't know what she's doing, Ocelot II Nov 17 #21
These cases against the people that stood up to him in his first term MissouriDem47 Nov 17 #34
There are three documents signed by the grand jury foreperson onenote Nov 17 #31
Pam Bondi has destroyed the court's usual deference to the DOJ Arazi Nov 17 #2
Get thee to the greatest page malaise Nov 17 #3
Department of Justice? Department of CORRUPTION. spanone Nov 17 #4
Department of Injustice. nt MarineCombatEngineer Nov 17 #7
PERFECT!! bluestarone Nov 17 #29
It is actually beyondtimes Nov 17 #36
SAD. trumps DOJ ordered to do their job, properly and by the book BOSSHOG Nov 17 #5
She can still be AG even if she's disbarred Arazi Nov 17 #11
Thank You BOSSHOG Nov 17 #12
Read my post below, it doesn't seem she can, she would no longer have a law license, which is a requirement, thus Escurumbele Nov 17 #25
Thank You BOSSHOG Nov 17 #32
Disbar her anyway. She needs to suffer personal consequences Mr.WeRP Nov 17 #13
It doesn't seem like she can. Escurumbele Nov 17 #24
This case is collapsing faster than the Trump economy. Happy Hoosier Nov 17 #8
Maybe he could impose tariffs. BOSSHOG Nov 17 #10
I'm glad that Fitzgerald is running an aggressive speedy trial offense here Prairie Gates Nov 17 #9
Huge slap in DOJ's face. Pepsidog Nov 17 #15
Maybe that slap will knock the shit off of Pam Bondi's nose. Emile Nov 17 #16
Perfect! MayReasonRule Nov 17 #26
When we regain power -- and we will -- anyone taking part in these sham investigations and prosecutions... W_HAMILTON Nov 17 #17
K&R red dog 1 Nov 17 #18
Democracy Docket-Judge Sees 'Profound Investigative Missteps' in Trump's Comey Prosecution LetMyPeopleVote Nov 17 #19
Duh! malaise Nov 17 #22
Stay tuned for another episode of, "Halligan's Lie-land"! A Donald Trump production. RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Nov 17 #23
What's that old saying? "Things fall apart. The center cannot hold..." calimary Nov 17 #27
That sounds like a whole lot of legalese. I'm not really sure Halligan will get the message. flashman13 Nov 17 #28
disbar her and file perjury charges against her moonshinegnomie Nov 17 #30
No one in this administration can be trusted. The fish rots from the head. surfered Nov 17 #33
Fitzmas may actually happen this year and not just in 24 business hours. madinmaryland Nov 17 #35
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