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PJMcK

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Sat Dec 6, 2025, 07:21 AM Dec 6

About the Venezuelan boats [View all]

For reference, I have been ocean sailing for most of my life. I've sailed the Atlantic and Caribbean as crew and have logged over 10,000 miles navigating my own boats. Over the years, I've learned quite a bit about small crafts in the ocean and sailing in general. The oceans are vast, lonely and dangerous. The blue water is no place for the inexperienced.

The boats targeted by Trump's lackeys are not ocean-going vessels. They are open boats meaning they do not have cabins nor storage holds. They are not designed for the wind and wave conditions found in the open ocean. Even with superior seamanship, these voyages would be foolish and dangerous. The boats are powered by outboard motors that lack the capacity to traverse those distances in the open ocean. They are designed for coastal fishing meaning they don't go too far offshore, perhaps only 20 miles or so.

Consider that the distance between Caracas, Venezuela and Miami is about 1,400 miles. These boats, would require fuel tanks that take up too much space on such small boats. Where would the cargo be stored? In an open boat, the drugs would be exposed to the elements as well as being vulnerable to being tossed overboard by the ocean conditions. Refueling enroute would expose the so-called smugglers to too much scrutiny as they traverse different countries on the way to the U.S. Further, if the boat could travel at 20 mph, it would take 70 hours or 3 days nonstop. That is unrealistic and requires a rotating crew, superior boat-handling, navigation and seamanship, skills that most coastal fishermen would probably not have learned.

If these boats are truly operated by drug-runners, the "narco-terrorists" are really stupid and the risks to their cargo and lives far exceed the possible profits from the small quantities these boats could carry. Additionally, why would the September 2nd boat have had 11 people on board? That doesn't make any sense because that many people take up space and consumables like food and water.and we know that drug kingpins want to maximize their profit potential.

In fact, many drug runners build "submarines" that travel just below the surface of the water making them difficult to detect. These vessels have far more cargo space than an open fishing boat. Importantly, they are designed for the distances and conditions required for such voyages. Here are two videos that explain these vessels:





Trump and Co. are on a murderous, illegal, unethical and performative fool's errand in order to look tough while accomplishing nothing. Watching boats being blown up and people being killed gives them visceral thrills all while they sit in their air-conditioned offices thousands of miles away from the sites of their crimes. The military personnel who enable these acts are in untenable situations. Trump is abusing our military, its people and our national values.

As usual, Trump and Republicans are presuming Americans are stupid who cannot evaluate these situations intelligently and logically. Like the fool Tom Cotton, they assume we are so dumb we won't believe our own eyes.
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I think these people in the boats have no idea what hit them Walleye Dec 6 #1
There was no plane PJMcK Dec 6 #2
Now I am wondering if this is what Maga thinks Americans really are and aspire to be Walleye Dec 6 #5
Yup, we are spending millions to blow up 10K Johonny Dec 6 #28
Well said PJMcK, K & R. Emile Dec 6 #3
If there were drugs on some of the boats gab13by13 Dec 6 #4
The article said these boats had cocaine and were going to Europe??? usedtobedemgurl Dec 6 #18
"IF" is a very big and complicated word, gab13by13 Dec 6 #29
Great OP malaise Dec 6 #6
It's nuts I am a fisher Dec 6 #7
Welcome to DU ! And a shrimper welcomes a fellow fisherman. KS Toronado Dec 6 #15
As Trump callously replied when asked about destroying the fishing boats, travelingthrulife Dec 6 #31
I find that bottom video on narco subs fascinating. Emile Dec 6 #8
That was amazing NJCher Dec 6 #16
I was surprised those subs are only used once, and then sunk. Emile Dec 6 #19
It shows how valuable the drugs are (n/t) PJMcK Dec 7 #47
"...a murderous, illegal, unethical and performative fool's errand in order to look tough while accomplishing nothing." OldBaldy1701E Dec 6 #9
For all of us. I think we all have a baseline anxiety that won't go away. travelingthrulife Dec 6 #32
It isn't about drugs, gab13by13 Dec 6 #10
Agree. They are inoculating us to accept killing 'suspects.' n/t NH Ethylene Dec 6 #26
Send this to Rachel immediately NJCher Dec 6 #11
That's a great idea! Emile Dec 7 #48
The 2016 to 2025 (and counting) version of the republiSCUM party MLWR Dec 6 #12
K&R. Openly commiting war crimes. n/t ms liberty Dec 6 #13
We are not at war, gab13by13 Dec 6 #17
But who will ever hold them accountable? If we ever have fair elections again I'm hoping that the next Democratic LT Barclay Dec 6 #23
I want our next Democratic president gab13by13 Dec 6 #30
I want to resurrect FDR. Sadly, I don't know who to hope for, because so much damage has been done and the republicans LT Barclay Dec 6 #43
It's pure authoritarianism. Create fear, suppress freedom of movement. ... littlemissmartypants Dec 6 #14
The post we've been waiting for stollen Dec 6 #20
If we don't somehow put a stop to this, the U.S. is going to become a global pariah... Joinfortmill Dec 6 #21
There's more to this MaineNative Dec 6 #22
Oil. Venezuela privatized their oil and kicked the big oil companies out. travelingthrulife Dec 6 #34
Really appreciate your knowledge and common sense Wild blueberry Dec 6 #24
Thanks, this makes tons of sense Martin Eden Dec 6 #25
Several clarifications, sounds like your experience is mostly sail EX500rider Dec 6 #27
Even if they were going to the US, which I doubt. We the People WANT those travelingthrulife Dec 6 #35
You are correct about center consoles PJMcK Dec 6 #38
All the pics & vids I've seen show multiple outboards EX500rider Dec 6 #39
Good photos. Thanks PJMcK Dec 6 #42
No, I don't think they go all the way to the US and the one with all the people was most likely a Coyote boat EX500rider Dec 6 #44
Plastic fuel tanks PJMcK Dec 7 #46
Trump is trying to depose Maduro gulliver Dec 6 #33
In order to steal their oil. Remember Venezuela kicked big oil out after they travelingthrulife Dec 6 #36
They nationalized their oil 50 years ago...and it is very common EX500rider Dec 6 #40
I doubt that gulliver Dec 6 #45
Going back to 1964 and the Gulf of Token. multigraincracker Dec 6 #37
"Need an excuse to take their resources." That gets said a lot around here... EX500rider Dec 6 #41
That all makes sense... returnee Dec 7 #49
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