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hfojvt

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25. because if the deal goes to $400,000
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 01:50 PM
Dec 2012

then you and I and Bill Gates will get a tax cut on our first $400,000 in income.

Except there is only one of us who makes even 1/3 of $400,000. Heck, I don't even make 1/10th of that much.

Then there is the matter of dividends. In the good old days before George W. Bush, dividends used to be taxed as ordinary income, meaning that if you were Mitt Romney, for example, you piad taxes on your $4.9 million in income from dividends at the top frigging rate. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=journals&uid=157743&page=2

If the Bush tax cuts expire, that would happen once again.

However, as I understand these deals, the most current proposal is to tax dividends at the same rate as capital gains, which are taxed at a lower rate than money that has to be worked for as CTJ explains here http://www.ctj.org/pdf/latestfiscalcliff.pdf

Second, there is the proposal - from Obama - to return the estate tax, NOT to where it was in 2000, but to where it was in 2009 - with a bigger exclusion and a lower rate. I am sure the middle class is very concerned about that since so many of us have million dollar estates.

Third, the other proposals that we do not hear about and that even I, tax geek that I am, do not fully understand - PEP, Pease, and the 28 cent limit on deductions.

Because almost nobody knows about those, they can be quietly killed (to benefit the rich who damn well know about them and have accountants and lobbyists to push for their repeal). So I could jump on a soapbox with my hair on fire screaming about the repeal of PEP and Pease and most people would not get upset, they would not pass go or collect $200, and neither would they run to call Congress right fucking now. Instead they would just say "what the fuck is he talking about?"

But they usually say that anyway because of my rambling writing style and heavy use of mathematics.

So I expect that Congress will quietly repeal PEP and Pease in this deal with a wink and a wave to their rich donors and with the rest of us useful idiots cheering on Obama's great victory.

That also may NOT happen, but you know what would guarantee that it did not happen? To NOT make or take a DEAL. Just let the motherfucking Bush tax cuts DIE already and then put a fucking stake through their heart so the evil spawn cannot rise from the dead.

Your analysis is part of the problem customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #1
Except in this case, the "cost" will be Clinton-era tax rates for everyone- Not the end of the world Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #2
Yes. Let it happen. n/t janx Dec 2012 #14
If we played the game to win from the beginning, we'd be well ahead of the curve now louis c Dec 2012 #4
There's an assumption in your reasoning a2liberal Dec 2012 #8
Exactly right n/t zentrum Dec 2012 #21
I'm not that cynical louis c Dec 2012 #24
I see a different assumption....that we will see"headlines" mark eagledove Dec 2012 #26
++1 It's more like high stakes poker, with many players & a deck with hundreds of cards. This is the patrice Dec 2012 #13
Likey! K n r! Nt PCIntern Dec 2012 #3
Willing to take the tax hit. RetroGamer1971 Dec 2012 #5
The entire economy would benefit from the slightly higher tax rates especially on capital gains. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #15
I understand your generousity and fairness pangaia Dec 2012 #20
Thanks louis c.. we shall see Cha Dec 2012 #6
it does not matter if Obama wins or loses Angry Dragon Dec 2012 #7
Yeah, this is the most important thing. If the least of people plethoro Dec 2012 #9
'It only matters if the people win or lose'! sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #19
Thank you Angry Dragon Dec 2012 #23
We should all take the tax hit. CranialRectaLoopback Dec 2012 #10
Welcome to DU! Fumesucker Dec 2012 #11
Another welcome to DU. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #16
I understand your generousity and fairness pangaia Dec 2012 #22
except that, basically hfojvt Dec 2012 #12
Please explain. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #17
because if the deal goes to $400,000 hfojvt Dec 2012 #25
Can I have a link to a primary source please? (not a secondary one, thanks.) nt patrice Dec 2012 #18
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