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Jim Lane

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32. That answers nothing.

Reply to louis c (Reply #31)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 07:33 PM

Jan 2013

Congress has also passed (and the President has signed) the law that prohibits the federal government from incurring debt above a certain amount.

Your reasoning is: Congress passes laws that must be obeyed. Therefore, the law establishing a debt ceiling must not be obeyed.

I can't respect an argument where its conclusion violates its own first premise.

Am I counting angels? Well, sorry, but this is a complicated question. Any answer that can be reduced to a slogan is probably wrong.

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The validity of the public debt of the U.S.....shall not be questioned (14th Amendment) [View all] louis c Dec 2012 OP

I agree the whole debt ceiling charade seems unconstitutional to me. grantcart Dec 2012 #1

Congress hasn't passed a budget in years Yo_Mama Dec 2012 #16

Well a lot of the nations' leading legal scholars disagree with you grantcart Dec 2012 #18

Youngstown Yo_Mama Dec 2012 #19

k&r... spanone Dec 2012 #2

So this is the law and the POTUS should just enforce it? Deep13 Dec 2012 #3

Thank you, louis Cha Dec 2012 #4

Damn good point! annabanana Dec 2012 #5

Ah, but I've been told today on DU that the constitution should be ignored n2doc Dec 2012 #6

It is a document that is subject to interpretation and change louis c Dec 2012 #7

i don't think that I'd note it works FreeJoe Dec 2012 #8

The debt ceiling increases are for all past spending. louis c Dec 2012 #9

That's precisely the point. Igel Dec 2012 #11

But I bet if the budget doesn't balance, you still have to eat louis c Dec 2012 #12

That is the weirdest reasoning I have ever seen Yo_Mama Dec 2012 #17

Come on louis c Jan 2013 #23

No, purchases on credit is debt. Igel Jan 2013 #35

Are you kidding me? louis c Dec 2012 #13

Yes, I probably will. Igel Jan 2013 #36

"National Debt" and "Public Debt" are all inclusive louis c Jan 2013 #37

I think it's a lot simpler than the 14th amendment jeff47 Dec 2012 #10

+1. nt bemildred Dec 2012 #14

I think you are quite wrong Yo_Mama Dec 2012 #15

Congress continues to make laws that the Government must pay louis c Jan 2013 #22

Why I disagree with your reasoning Jim Lane Jan 2013 #30

Congress passes laws that must be obeyed louis c Jan 2013 #31

That answers nothing. Jim Lane Jan 2013 #32

From article 9 of the Constitution... Redfairen Jan 2013 #20

The debt ceiling is about "appropriations (already) made by law" louis c Jan 2013 #21

Debt Ceiling buzzroller Jan 2013 #24

Welcome to DU, buzzroller louis c Jan 2013 #25

I am hoping to hear this from the Obama administration buzzroller Jan 2013 #26

Some questions exboyfil Jan 2013 #27

I think that he should just ignore the debt ceiling louis c Jan 2013 #28

Can you get a ruling without standing? exboyfil Jan 2013 #29

It's ripe for a challenge, the debt ceiling is. DevonRex Jan 2013 #33

The time is now. Faryn Balyncd Jan 2013 #34

Get on board, this discussion will be the all the rage in the coming weeks louis c Jan 2013 #38