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Cirsium

(4,172 posts)
35. They don't need an "in"
Mon Jun 8, 2026, 09:41 PM
7 hrs ago

Last edited Mon Jun 8, 2026, 11:05 PM - Edit history (1)

Fascists don't need a pretext to be provided by us for their malevolence. They'll use anything, and if there isn't anything to use, they'll make something up. Enough already with the running scared from the right wingers. "Oh, we'd better not do that! Just imagine what the Republicans might say or might do!" I'm tired of the politics of perpetual accommodation. I think most Democrats are.

At some point, a democracy has to stop organizing itself around the anticipated reactions of its opponents. Defend what you believe to be right. Don't live in fear of the next manufactured outrage. People who are determined to undermine democratic institutions do not require genuine reasons or provocations; therefore, organizing public policy around avoiding their bad-faith criticism is futile.

Next, you are cavalierly dismissing the needs of vulnerable people. Many elderly, disabled, immune-compromised, or chronically ill people depend on alternatives to standing in line at a polling place. In many precincts, people have to stand in line for hours, often in inclement weather, in order to vote. You can't ask seniors and handicapped people to endure that. It effectively denies many people the practical ability to exercise their franchise. Whether or not one agrees with every COVID-era policy, reducing their concerns to "irrational fears" is utterly contemptuous.

Democracy is strengthened by broad participation. Here, we support that. (Checking to make sure I am on Democratic Underground). The franchise has generally expanded over the history of the country. People have made great sacrifices to advance that noble cause. People have given their lives in the struggle for voting rights. Absentee voting, early voting, and mail voting are all mechanisms that help people participate who otherwise might not be able to. The burden should be on those who would restrict access to explain why. Care to explain to us why you favor restricting access to the ballot?

Elections are not horse races or football games. The goal is not to produce a ready-for-television (or ready-for-social media) result by any certain time. The goal is to determine the will of the electorate correctly. Who cares how long it takes to count the votes? Accuracy is what's important, not expediency.

The purpose of an election is not to reassure people who are acting in bad faith, which cannot be done in any case. It is to count every legitimate vote accurately while making it possible for every eligible citizen—including the elderly, disabled, and ill—to participate.

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Voting is our civic duty and should be made easy for everyone. People like her and TSF should stfu Deuxcents 9 hrs ago #1
Hear! Hear! yellow dahlia 9 hrs ago #9
People like Kelly make you want to barf. I honestly think they say this stuff simply to get attention. walkingman 9 hrs ago #2
Agreed, all around. yellow dahlia 9 hrs ago #11
really says a lot of about repukes and their enablers Skittles 9 hrs ago #3
Exactly! The more people who vote - the better the Democracy. yellow dahlia 9 hrs ago #8
I always go to or work the polls. I was just "approved" to vote by mail this time because of disability Cheezoholic 9 hrs ago #4
Indeed. It should be an option for everyone. yellow dahlia 9 hrs ago #7
She must be referring to Pedo Don... Wuddles440 9 hrs ago #5
And are some of those "lazy asses" SCantiGOP 7 hrs ago #42
Post removed Post removed 9 hrs ago #6
I'm sorry, but remaining cautious of closed spaces because of Covid is ABSOLUTELY a good reason yellow dahlia 9 hrs ago #12
California is only one of 18 states who have mail in voting Lifeafter70 8 hrs ago #18
Mail in works well here in Florida. I made a phone call to the elections office and they sent me a form.. Deuxcents 8 hrs ago #21
Npr answered your concern years ago Lifeafter70 8 hrs ago #19
Thanks for sharing this. yellow dahlia 7 hrs ago #41
Your welcome Lifeafter70 7 hrs ago #44
Boo! to this take (nt) AZJonnie 8 hrs ago #20
Mail in is convenient so it's not about Covid Envirogal 7 hrs ago #28
They don't need an "in" Cirsium 7 hrs ago #35
Word! yellow dahlia 7 hrs ago #43
Let's retire the phrase "it's just not." It provides no evidence spooky3 6 hrs ago #45
California takes weeks to count votes that are postmarked by election day. Chemical Bill 6 hrs ago #46
Some of us are seriously immunocompromised. greatauntoftriplets 4 hrs ago #49
"tasked with spreading propaganda" -- nailed it. Nt lostnfound 9 hrs ago #10
Do you lack all integrity? Wouldn't know a moral compass if it landed on you? yellow dahlia 9 hrs ago #14
I've voted by mail since 2016 mcar 9 hrs ago #13
Thank you for your service to Democracy! yellow dahlia 9 hrs ago #15
Aw, thanks. mcar 8 hrs ago #16
Wow! Good for you! yellow dahlia 8 hrs ago #25
I would wish her a temporary disability Maeve 8 hrs ago #17
By her logic, Doturd is a fat lazy ass..... AZ8theist 8 hrs ago #22
Doesn't the Orange Blight NHvet 8 hrs ago #23
Megyn Kelly is an ass GenThePerservering 8 hrs ago #24
hem. i was in a skilled nursing facility. i voted by mail and guess what, AllaN01Bear 7 hrs ago #26
My county had no-excuse-needed absentee ballots for a couple of decades before the pandemic. RockRaven 7 hrs ago #27
The more the merrier - VOTE! yellow dahlia 7 hrs ago #34
Megyn Kelly can stfu. Diamond_Dog 7 hrs ago #29
Hear! Hear! yellow dahlia 7 hrs ago #32
I'm voting in person in the morning here in beautiful Northern Nevada. chicoescuela 7 hrs ago #30
why do we need to hang on to this obsolete idea of a fixed voting place AllaN01Bear 7 hrs ago #31
What about people who live in remote areas where the nearest polling place is over an hour away ChicagoTeamster 7 hrs ago #33
The obvious questions. Way too obvious for the myopic among us? yellow dahlia 7 hrs ago #37
K & R Emile 7 hrs ago #36
Megyn Kelly needs to shut up and learn what the vote counting process in in California LogDog75 7 hrs ago #38
Here's what the Repuke Party knows ... they should be supporting the mailed ballots FakeNoose 7 hrs ago #39
So pellucidly clear! yellow dahlia 7 hrs ago #40
Trump voted by mail... Johonny 6 hrs ago #47
well said. and yes, covid is still a thing. i got another booster last week. orleans 4 hrs ago #48
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