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Arcanetrance

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118. Yes the president takes that oath but violating other nations borders with drones and "targeted"
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:48 AM
Feb 2013

Killings that have more often than not killed civilians. Seems to against my oath to protect the country by creating new enemies. Yes we declared war on Al Qaeda do me a favor define Al Qaeda it's a faceless entity I can say your Al Qaeda.

This is ironic.... geckosfeet Feb 2013 #1
Could the President stop the drone attacks...really? kelliekat44 Feb 2013 #222
Yes, he could lark Feb 2013 #230
The president picks whom he is told to pick. loudsue Feb 2013 #305
the irony is.... geckosfeet Feb 2013 #294
America's Culture Of Violence And Bravado Has Compromised The Presidency And American Morality cantbeserious Feb 2013 #2
Thats what I like about Madhound..everything he/she posts, is always in absolutes... Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #3
Yup and he dusted off a new rhetorical device to use today! Wonder how many times we'll have to FSogol Feb 2013 #5
+1 Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #8
+100 Champion Jack Feb 2013 #90
Not only are you in the wrong party, you're on the wrong side of history, the constitution, goodness grahamhgreen Feb 2013 #181
Bullocks! FSogol Feb 2013 #186
Now you just PROVED you're indecent by using the word 'bollocks'. randome Feb 2013 #188
You no longer have to wonder about how the good Germans allowed Hitler to happen. grahamhgreen Feb 2013 #224
Godwin's law! FSogol Feb 2013 #277
Where exactly did grahamhgreen acuse you... tex-wyo-dem Feb 2013 #308
I agree totally with what you said. A lot of people in this thread truth2power Feb 2013 #315
That was in post 224 mythology Feb 2013 #341
I'm pretty sure the word, in the UK, is ballocks. xtraxritical Feb 2013 #282
The who? You mean the people sworn to defend the constitution from all threats, will defend it? grahamhgreen Feb 2013 #223
Unfortunately, for all intents and purposes, the truedelphi Feb 2013 #276
Ok and our choice was - it doesnt sound like he's talking about choice for prez leftyohiolib Feb 2013 #29
it is bad, BUT given the reality we live in---PUKES slavering at the bit to grab power and BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2013 #172
Sense of proportion tama Feb 2013 #203
Nobody is talking about removing Obama. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #297
The OP is about the hypocrisy of changing your stance on policy rhett o rick Feb 2013 #60
For which he ought to be able to provide specific examples. But no one ever does. stevenleser Feb 2013 #105
Did you have a problem with torture? You left that one out? NOVA_Dem Feb 2013 #115
Yes, I have a problem with torture. I am sure I left other things out too. nt stevenleser Feb 2013 #129
So it's wrong to torture a foreigner we capture on the battlefield NOVA_Dem Feb 2013 #137
We cannot get our hands on said person. stevenleser Feb 2013 #142
The memo cites undue burden in capturing these people without defining what the burden should be. NOVA_Dem Feb 2013 #151
Standard of proof? Besides common sense? stevenleser Feb 2013 #303
Because what you call "assassinated", we call "killed in action". n/t ieoeja Feb 2013 #212
Yes tama Feb 2013 #209
Nope, I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. Nt stevenleser Feb 2013 #298
That's just sad tama Feb 2013 #302
I am glad you are against war crimes at least when the REpublicans do them. rhett o rick Feb 2013 #157
Those who decide what war crimes are and who came up with the idea do not agree. nt stevenleser Feb 2013 #158
Who decides what war crimes are? And where is their list? nm rhett o rick Feb 2013 #160
The UN and the subgroup that meets on the geneva conventions nt stevenleser Feb 2013 #161
I have more research to do but I believe the UN has not endorsed killer drone strikes outside rhett o rick Feb 2013 #163
Did Bush do this too? treestar Feb 2013 #286
What do you think? nm rhett o rick Feb 2013 #288
That Bush did this too treestar Feb 2013 #291
How sad. Very sad. You are rationalizing that killing with drones is ok because Bush did it. rhett o rick Feb 2013 #292
Seems to me... JuniperLea Feb 2013 #215
It makes it too easy Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #227
Since when has the US or any nation cared? JuniperLea Feb 2013 #339
The problem is not drones used in war zones. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #300
How is it any different JuniperLea Feb 2013 #338
Only Congress can declare a war. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #340
Well, Bush laid waste to all of that... JuniperLea Feb 2013 #342
Right. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #343
You're overlooking the fact that there is a policy. randome Feb 2013 #127
"Codifying the conditions" is that like a pinky swear? And "LESS likely" is only good until it isnt rhett o rick Feb 2013 #154
what about when China adds this to their rights, KakistocracyHater Feb 2013 #254
i doubt they would have to add it arely staircase Feb 2013 #331
is it official policy everywhere then & U.S. is last? KakistocracyHater Feb 2013 #334
How do you feel? tama Feb 2013 #206
I feel we are a very slippery slope. We rationalize that we are at war rhett o rick Feb 2013 #234
LOL tama Feb 2013 #237
You are so right on that. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #304
Where did he say we should have elected Romney? caseymoz Feb 2013 #80
So, if I don't like the plan to kill Americans without trial... bobclark86 Feb 2013 #112
We have 4 years (3 1/2 at least) dotymed Feb 2013 #116
Wow. You pack a lot of bullshit in just a few lines. Jakes Progress Feb 2013 #173
I don't see that you can determine someone else's level of hypocrisy. randome Feb 2013 #174
Perhaps you don't know the definition of hypocrisy. Jakes Progress Feb 2013 #177
LOL bvar22 Feb 2013 #211
So provide an example of a DUer who meets that criteria stevenleser Feb 2013 #299
Read the OP. Jakes Progress Feb 2013 #322
Option 1) State clearly that you do not support the policy. Agreed? grahamhgreen Feb 2013 #180
It's a sign of a limited intellect IMHO Floyd_Gondolli Feb 2013 #182
You freaking nailed it. Number23 Feb 2013 #273
this ^^^^^ lillypaddle Feb 2013 #217
I agree, we cannot become like the Republicans and redstatebluegirl Feb 2013 #221
With us or against us tama Feb 2013 #247
Good point and why are drones worse than guns, or bombs? treestar Feb 2013 #285
When you've sulphurdunn Feb 2013 #318
I didn't like it then, and I don't like it now. hobbit709 Feb 2013 #4
Hmmm... Rider3 Feb 2013 #6
Rider3: Sweetheart, please read the 6th Amendment. jerseyjack Feb 2013 #27
6th Amendment Rider3 Feb 2013 #202
U.S. Constitution - Amendment 6 RC Feb 2013 #49
See post #13. randome Feb 2013 #50
See post #53 RC Feb 2013 #55
Sorry, but the rights granted under Amendment 6 do not apply outside the US.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #62
As an American citizen, the Constitution most surly does, no matter where you are. RC Feb 2013 #73
Read the amendment carefully.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #79
Show me in the Constitution where the Constitution does not apply to a US citizen accused of a crime RC Feb 2013 #91
What crime? jeff47 Feb 2013 #113
Its not in the constitution but i found it an obscure references nvme Feb 2013 #312
Its not in the constitution but i found it an obscure rferences nvme Feb 2013 #313
Again, read Amendment 6 carefully. The protections extend only to US Citizens in US states and.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #179
Protection of American Rights of Person and Property Abroad RC Feb 2013 #185
You're confusing the rights of law-abiding US Citizens traveling or working abroad.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #187
Try this then RC Feb 2013 #191
What should I "try" about it? If you have an argument on this issue, take it up with... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #239
Because the Reagen Administrator did it, that makes it legal for every Administration after that? RC Feb 2013 #248
Show me where the Drone attacks are limited to persons "taking up arms against the US overseas" Vincardog Feb 2013 #170
Show me where it doesn't. nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #238
No person …nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law Vincardog Feb 2013 #256
Al Awlaki did not take up arms moodforaday Feb 2013 #295
The Enlightenment Values RobinA Feb 2013 #141
EXACTLY!!! bvar22 Feb 2013 #213
Yup tama Feb 2013 #257
Right tama Feb 2013 #253
Ain't nothing Speedier than Trial by Drone Demeter Feb 2013 #85
Doesn't apply. jeff47 Feb 2013 #111
If they are US citizen, Due Processes still does apply. RC Feb 2013 #131
What Due Process is a non-custodial enemy combatant owed? Specifically, what is the due? nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #138
Point out where the Constitution says that. jeff47 Feb 2013 #140
That is a bizarre claim. bvar22 Feb 2013 #148
We are in other countries at the request of those governments. randome Feb 2013 #149
LOL tama Feb 2013 #260
Of course the US has such a right jeff47 Feb 2013 #150
I wasn't aware that Congress had declared WAR. bvar22 Feb 2013 #155
They have. jeff47 Feb 2013 #166
+1000. Why is this so difficult to understand for some folks? nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #242
Because some folks tama Feb 2013 #262
If an American is participating in a plot to harm US military or civilian personnel overseas.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #267
That's how we are different tama Feb 2013 #270
Ah...the truth comes out. You're not an American, but you want to dictate what.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #272
The Truth? tama Feb 2013 #274
If you think this discussion is about "American fascism" then you either.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #278
Fascism aka national socialism is not just right wing tama Feb 2013 #281
Way to prove the point in the OP alarimer Feb 2013 #233
Disgusting. grahamhgreen Feb 2013 #245
So as non-citizen tama Feb 2013 #259
Yep, suddenly it's a big deal when it's this President treestar Feb 2013 #289
The breaking point of what exactly? lunatica Feb 2013 #7
I respectfully submit, this country is broken Demeter Feb 2013 #87
'aye 840high Feb 2013 #171
You may be right lunatica Feb 2013 #201
When tama Feb 2013 #263
It is for me. Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #9
Will be very curious to know what Republican you will want for president in 2016 Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #11
So the Democrats might as well run with Hitler's reincarnation? Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #18
Well as long as Republicans make Attila the Hun look like Mother Teresa...technically yep. Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #20
As long as Obama makes Bush look like Mother Theresa.. Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #22
Politics of fear tama Feb 2013 #264
And what part of PNAC are we following now? randome Feb 2013 #21
By making use of double-dips and signatory strikes. Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #25
I don't agree with a lot of this, either. randome Feb 2013 #47
Then we have more in common, than me and the OP have, perhaps. Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #72
Hardly evil, but in regards to civil rights Riftaxe Feb 2013 #228
Message auto-removed kevm1550 Feb 2013 #41
Well, leaving those countries completely at the mercy of the turmoil Bush caused... randome Feb 2013 #48
Message auto-removed kevm1550 Feb 2013 #54
What you see is what you get pscot Feb 2013 #64
^ this, for the win. Myrina Feb 2013 #88
To me, it isn't about parties and never has been LittleBlue Feb 2013 #251
You do not get to decide what everyone's 'breaking point' is. randome Feb 2013 #10
Post removed Post removed Feb 2013 #12
And he didn't even give her a trial! randome Feb 2013 #16
Yep...No due process for Beyonce!! Drone Strike her! Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #17
So? This is okay with you? Jakes Progress Feb 2013 #175
It is NOT okay with me. I would prefer additional restraints on the use of military power. randome Feb 2013 #178
As long as you're not worried... Jakes Progress Feb 2013 #214
Did the kidnapper in Alabama..... Mustellus Feb 2013 #13
Excellent points. randome Feb 2013 #15
So, the more wrongs we commit, the more we are justified in doing? RC Feb 2013 #53
If you want to argue the inhumanity of war, that's probably best saved for another thread. randome Feb 2013 #123
Perhaps... geckosfeet Feb 2013 #26
Bear in mind, though.... FredStembottom Feb 2013 #42
The difference is. Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #93
Having watched Joe Scarborough... Mustellus Feb 2013 #218
Re Obama tama Feb 2013 #265
Poor critical thinking skills displayed... NOVA_Dem Feb 2013 #125
The Alabama shooter..... Mustellus Feb 2013 #269
Instances like the one in Alabama? Rider3 Feb 2013 #204
WTF? This is not a right wing complaint NoMoreWarNow Feb 2013 #280
Well stated! donheld Feb 2013 #306
Could someone please post a link to this drone memo? wandy Feb 2013 #14
There is a link in the article. Blanks Feb 2013 #23
Thanks. Didn't dig deep enough.. wandy Feb 2013 #34
Here it is caraher Feb 2013 #31
I don't think you get to decide quaker bill Feb 2013 #19
actually, we are all making such judgments every day. tomp Feb 2013 #240
Context is real. quaker bill Feb 2013 #249
please explain. nt tomp Feb 2013 #258
The op is about drone strikes quaker bill Feb 2013 #317
Oh, yes. randome Feb 2013 #319
if you read closer you would see.... tomp Feb 2013 #332
There is something subtle I am apparently missing quaker bill Feb 2013 #333
well, i'm with you on ending violence. tomp Feb 2013 #335
I still don't see it quaker bill Feb 2013 #336
Empathy is real tama Feb 2013 #266
Madhound...for some, there is nothing, and I mean NOTHING that Obama could do truth2power Feb 2013 #24
Thank you, t2p. FredStembottom Feb 2013 #40
that's pretty much it Doctor_J Feb 2013 #76
Second that! Demeter Feb 2013 #89
+1 Marrah_G Feb 2013 #152
+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! - And Thank You !!! WillyT Feb 2013 #232
Why is it nobody seems to want to discuss the fact that this policy was started under Reagan.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #28
To some degree, it's a question of capabilities. Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #30
But, are the actions carried out by the Obama Administration any more or less Constitutional .... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #58
I agree in parts Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #69
This message was self-deleted by its author FredStembottom Feb 2013 #33
Thanks for the lecture. Got anything substantial to add to the thread? nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #46
Will self-delete if I can. FredStembottom Feb 2013 #52
Appreciate the response. Thanks. nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #59
So because the Repukes all kill extrajudicially, that makes it OK for Obama? Doctor_J Feb 2013 #71
Since when has it been only the repukes? Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #120
Are you in the right thread? Doctor_J Feb 2013 #153
I responded to this... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #164
I just brought that up in another thread. librabear Feb 2013 #108
It goes back much, much, much further than that jeff47 Feb 2013 #110
Read "The Lottery" by Shirley Jackson... truth2power Feb 2013 #156
at least since wwii the u.s. govt.... tomp Feb 2013 #243
People are blowing this way out of proportion and should save their energy... EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #32
.....and their traitorous little children. FredStembottom Feb 2013 #35
Message auto-removed kevm1550 Feb 2013 #44
I love the over the top melodrama Floyd_Gondolli Feb 2013 #184
When the little kids get blown up along their supposed extremist parents.... FredStembottom Feb 2013 #309
And when we put troops on the ground, even MORE civilians will die. randome Feb 2013 #320
I'm against the troops being there at all. FredStembottom Feb 2013 #328
Asserting that everyone killed by our drone program is Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #39
Post removed Post removed Feb 2013 #321
And you appear to have trouble in figuring out how to post. Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #323
Thanks for pointing that out Floyd_Gondolli Feb 2013 #324
Only to people who repeatedly post about other poster's intellect (sic).... Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #325
Oh I suspect it's probably a little worse than that Floyd_Gondolli Feb 2013 #326
Get it. Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #327
define "extremist,"... tomp Feb 2013 #244
the constitution is undergoing a revision as far as laws maintaining their guild lines of the conste IsiahHallJr Feb 2013 #36
... SidDithers Feb 2013 #37
No doubt about it. There is no Constitutional foundation for 'extrajudicial killing.' Octafish Feb 2013 #38
great question unapatriciated Feb 2013 #167
Yes, Mad. I believe it is. FredStembottom Feb 2013 #43
A month from now, this will be a faded memory. Motown_Johnny Feb 2013 #45
If we're going to support regulation for assault rifles for the population, Baitball Blogger Feb 2013 #51
Okay drones are ok and legal to kill Americans littlewolf Feb 2013 #56
Good luck with Moral Compass Underground michigandem58 Feb 2013 #57
"Malcontent Underground" would be more apt. FSogol Feb 2013 #65
Here's your problem ProSense Feb 2013 #61
I will use this Post, John2 Feb 2013 #82
Okay Yavapai Feb 2013 #220
War is hell tama Feb 2013 #268
"Taking up arms" is a good rhetorical device that makes things seem pretty airtight TheKentuckian Feb 2013 #99
Having taken up arms against the United States Government yourself Riftaxe Feb 2013 #236
Honestly? Spider Jerusalem Feb 2013 #63
+1. n/t FSogol Feb 2013 #66
What the critics don't seem to understand is the key language in Amendment 6.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #67
Succinctly put. Robb Feb 2013 #68
I see your point, but they are also targeting people who have not "taken up arms". limpyhobbler Feb 2013 #74
"Guilt by Association along with Indefinite Detention.." KoKo Feb 2013 #100
Will it be okay to take out Domestic terrorists with drones on American soil? proReality Feb 2013 #96
I am unconvinced of the slippery slope argument here. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2013 #101
Convinced or not, it is something to think about. n/t proReality Feb 2013 #104
Not really Spider Jerusalem Feb 2013 #119
wow, how quaint! tomp Feb 2013 #246
And how many of them are US citizens? treestar Feb 2013 #287
Hear, Hear Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #70
you must be ecstatic Whisp Feb 2013 #75
it's christmas morning for him... dionysus Feb 2013 #122
If I had known this before the election ann--- Feb 2013 #77
And run the risk of having Romney in the White House? Seriously?? Please. nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #84
Post removed Post removed Feb 2013 #86
Maybe I'm missing something gholtron Feb 2013 #78
??? heaven05 Feb 2013 #81
You've been here since June of this year, and you're sending off long-timers? DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #139
I heaven05 Feb 2013 #143
Sorry to hear about your execution. It looks like the resurrection is working nicely though. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #145
call heaven05 Feb 2013 #147
The whole point of our constitutional rights... BlueCheese Feb 2013 #314
Kick and... R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #83
I disagree MH. This is not the "breaking point". As you can see in this thread rhett o rick Feb 2013 #92
It was wrong under bush and it's more wrong now under Obama. Arcanetrance Feb 2013 #94
what is your solution gholtron Feb 2013 #98
There is no perfect solution if a group is that determined I get the feeling they will find a way to Arcanetrance Feb 2013 #106
You're saying there is no Perfect Solution? gholtron Feb 2013 #114
Yes the president takes that oath but violating other nations borders with drones and "targeted" Arcanetrance Feb 2013 #118
Putting troops on the ground on other countries would kill FAR more civilians than drones. randome Feb 2013 #124
I never said anything about putting troops on the ground. Arcanetrance Feb 2013 #128
How do we stop them? gholtron Feb 2013 #130
Forgive me if you took what I said as an insult it wasn't meant that way. Arcanetrance Feb 2013 #132
911 could have been avoided. gholtron Feb 2013 #135
The "solution" is for the terrorists to stop. sibelian Feb 2013 #311
+10 !!! (NT) reACTIONary Feb 2013 #271
The choice was Obama or Romney austinlw Feb 2013 #95
What a sad rationalization. Killing just a few innocent women and children is ok rhett o rick Feb 2013 #169
Oh, come on! It's not immoral or wrong when we do it! Zorra Feb 2013 #97
Hey, come on now.. Upton Feb 2013 #102
Above all, our allegiance must always be with our Constitution. TheProgressive Feb 2013 #103
Go back to sleep! librabear Feb 2013 #107
Breaking point? Are you kidding? mountain grammy Feb 2013 #109
Sorry, but assassination is Constitutional jeff47 Feb 2013 #117
To me the drone decision proves the powerful protect each other without regard to the less powerful. Lint Head Feb 2013 #121
My breaking point came when he promised to escalate the lost war in Afghanistan. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #126
And many of those people were Taliban beheading women and chopping the hands off unbelievers. randome Feb 2013 #133
And many of them were women and children Downtown Hound Feb 2013 #195
And putting troops on the ground would ensure more civilian casualties. That's a fact. randome Feb 2013 #198
Hmmm...I wasn't aware that we had a God given right to decide Downtown Hound Feb 2013 #200
Personally, I think the only thing missing was an Official Declaration of War against Al Qiada lapfog_1 Feb 2013 #134
Might the civil war be a precedent? bhikkhu Feb 2013 #136
Interesting librabear Feb 2013 #144
War was authorized by congress this time on Sept 14th, 2001 bhikkhu Feb 2013 #284
Kicked and Rec'd Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2013 #146
you broke a long time ago. MjolnirTime Feb 2013 #159
What Obama is doing with the Drone Agenda is plethoro Feb 2013 #162
100 recs now. woo me with science Feb 2013 #165
So, let me see if I understand this.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #189
You wouldn't have found a supportive word on DU for Bush had he written the same memo LittleBlue Feb 2013 #261
Kick and rec from me as well. MuseRider Feb 2013 #168
So, I guess we won't see all you guys around anymore. DevonRex Feb 2013 #176
Hahaha! babylonsister Feb 2013 #190
I love the tone of this post Floyd_Gondolli Feb 2013 #192
Are you kidding? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2013 #252
He is entitled to his opinion. Beacool Feb 2013 #293
Rec'd for suggesting a moral compass might still exist just1voice Feb 2013 #183
Did you ever think what would happen if Obama backed down on this.... busterbrown Feb 2013 #193
Why is anybody surprised? Obama has been far worse than Bush about this all along BlueStreak Feb 2013 #194
And because of that, fewer civilians and troops die. randome Feb 2013 #199
Compared to what? BlueStreak Feb 2013 #210
Guess what? That assertion cannot be proven WITHOUT A TRIAL. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #216
Only apparently tama Feb 2013 #196
Well they can all console themselves that the trains... TheMadMonk Feb 2013 #197
Madhound dropped his missile and returned to Fort Flamebait Kolesar Feb 2013 #205
Man oh man JEB Feb 2013 #207
Just because paid identities come here to espouse bad policy, blkmusclmachine Feb 2013 #208
first, define "paid identities".... tomp Feb 2013 #255
So, if I'm not against the drones, then... shenmue Feb 2013 #219
how many last straws does this make for you now? arely staircase Feb 2013 #225
When you continually show me by your actions that violence WHEN CRABS ROAR Feb 2013 #226
I regret ever voting for him alarimer Feb 2013 #229
Take heart ProSense Feb 2013 #231
Ha! I see what you did there! nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #241
We are at war with Eastasia... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2013 #235
Is there a difference between a "breaking point" and a "line in the sand"?... SidDithers Feb 2013 #250
We JUST WON election - good grief. Is this really that bad?! Zax2me Feb 2013 #275
FFS-- we're LONG past the breaking point NoMoreWarNow Feb 2013 #279
Emphatic K&R! - n/t coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #283
K & R! lonestarnot Feb 2013 #290
Obama is Boiling Us Slower Than dumbya triplepoint Feb 2013 #296
The truly sad thing is that Obama is smart and a Constitutional lawyer. emsimon33 Feb 2013 #301
K&R DeSwiss Feb 2013 #307
... Summer Hathaway Feb 2013 #310
This is the price of not impeaching Bush. No check on presidential war powers. aquart Feb 2013 #316
The arrogance of power always loses its way... kentuck Feb 2013 #329
There is moral and there is legal ... Blue4Texas Feb 2013 #330
There are many waypoints on this road upi402 Feb 2013 #337
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