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hedgehog

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4. I don't believe the Vatican bureaucrats have any notion of what outsiders think of the

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 05:52 PM

Feb 2013

pedophilia or the cover-up - that's why both went on for so long and why there is such an incredible paper trail. I think this resignation has to do with various factions seeking to control the Church. My only question is why the hurry; why not wait until Benedict dies, why not wait until after the Easter season? The abruptness suggests that someone wants to make the transfer of power while they have control, and that all the pieces are moving around so fast the transfer has to happen now! There are a number of German speaking Church officials (bishops, abbots and even a cardinal in Austria, Germany and Switzerland) who are asking questions about married priests and female priests. I am uncertain if they are holding the line on gays or not. But I have a strong suspicion that someone wants these men slapped down hard, and Benedict is unwilling to go after his buddies.

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Pope Resigns Amid New Docs: Several letters to Ratzinger from Mahoney, 30,000 pages Re: Sex Abuse [View all] kpete Feb 2013 OP

Oh, why am I not surprised? CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2013 #1

If it wasn't so sad.. Sophiegirl Feb 2013 #37

I would guess he may be very ill so wants to hand pick the next pope to keep libtodeath Feb 2013 #2

As Someone Here Said, Ma'am: He Is Only As Sick As His Secrets.... The Magistrate Feb 2013 #3

than I suspect the man is very ill indeed n/t Tom Rinaldo Feb 2013 #5

I don't believe the Vatican bureaucrats have any notion of what outsiders think of the hedgehog Feb 2013 #4

Follow the money. ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2013 #16

The TV is putting it down to heart disease, exhaustion and a secret operation to replace MADem Feb 2013 #56

Presumedly the Pope is in touch with God, and getting divine marching orders. Coyotl Feb 2013 #6

Shrub claimed god spoke to him, too: lindysalsagal Feb 2013 #24

It would not surprise me but it's still speculation so far. randome Feb 2013 #7

Coincidence that HBO just released Mea Maxima Culpa? superpatriotman Feb 2013 #8

I watched it vankuria Feb 2013 #67

The Vatican should stop being a country of it's own with darker secrets than any other country. Lint Head Feb 2013 #9

And they should stop denigrating women and gays. randome Feb 2013 #11

I was raised a Catholic but their attitude towards women Cleita Feb 2013 #13

I was raised in the RCC, and was a practicing Catholic until the Jesuits got hold of me. Ikonoklast Feb 2013 #69

You left out the tall hats! Lint Head Feb 2013 #14

Yeah, those too! What were they THINKING??? randome Feb 2013 #15

All hail Dagon, the Fish-God of Babylon! alterfurz Feb 2013 #79

And so it begins. The scandal starts to unfold. Cleita Feb 2013 #10

They are bringing in a cover-up expert to handle the details and craft a transistion team Coyotl Feb 2013 #27

My eyes! Cleita Feb 2013 #29

The liberals have their own candidate. Coyotl Feb 2013 #31

I think you need to put Michael in the Dalai Lama's clothes if you want Cleita Feb 2013 #32

It's not like there are a lot of Moore as Pope memes out there Coyotl Feb 2013 #33

Bingo! nt GiveMeFreedom Feb 2013 #73

Michael Moore would no doubt love that picture. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #72

The worst of both worlds. Arugula Latte Feb 2013 #82

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2013 #12

"We are all sinners": Pope Benedict XVI 'resigns' 24 hours after posting mysterious tweet Coyotl Feb 2013 #17

Well that's a sorry version of "I'm sorry". glinda Feb 2013 #50

My first thought after hearing those words was Alzheimer's. Doesn't he act like Hestia Feb 2013 #70

Tax all churches Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #18

+1 hue Feb 2013 #20

Yeah! Tax all those sinners! Auntie Bush Feb 2013 #41

IMHO: Good riddance to bad rubbish & take the Catholic Church with you! hue Feb 2013 #19

Mahoney has done a very, very bad thing. ... eom Kolesar Feb 2013 #21

Boom goes the dynamite! nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #22

And I thought Pope Maladict had a hard time refilling his Viagra prescription... backscatter712 Feb 2013 #23

Everybody already KNEW THIS when he got the job.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #25

I think that the Penn State thing may have contributed to the Church's undoing. yardwork Feb 2013 #35

It was the scandals in England that was brought up over there.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #42

Did they have the letters when he was elected as the next Pope? nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #46

Paper trails are sneaky things,...sometimes they creep up on you from behind. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #49

Oh come on! The man is 85 years old, and the reason he's resigning is the sex scandal? "Stay Tuned"! George II Feb 2013 #26

For the last 600 years, Popes have died while holding the title.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #45

To Show My Heart is In the Right Place Wolf Frankula Feb 2013 #28

oops glinda Feb 2013 #30

Does this mean the Pope lied? UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2013 #34

He wasn't infallible until he became Pope, right? Coyotl Feb 2013 #36

Not gonna happen. UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2013 #38

Papal "Infallibility" applies only to Ex Cathedra pronouncements, not every-day remarks. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #39

STOP THE PRESSES! The Pope is making his very last state visit before his retirement! backscatter712 Feb 2013 #40

Well, i'm gonna share this one with a few friends with a sick sense of humor... nt agracie Feb 2013 #65

That is ill. riqster Feb 2013 #76

oh my arely staircase Feb 2013 #43

Yeah, I wondered whether or not Anonymous had hacked his e-mail. Someone has the GOODS on this guy. Trailrider1951 Feb 2013 #44

GMTA idwiyo Feb 2013 #55

Power mongers never give it up amuse bouche Feb 2013 #47

The worst part is that we even have to consider stuff like this. calimary Feb 2013 #48

I predict he will go the way of Paterno as this unfolds. morningfog Feb 2013 #51

He should rot in jail... Kalidurga Feb 2013 #52

I don't think he will either. Tonight on msnbc they said he'd go to his snappyturtle Feb 2013 #54

And waited on hand and foot by women (nuns). Avalux Feb 2013 #61

the best punishment rickford66 Feb 2013 #53

I really don't understand why Mahony would be writing to Ratzinger. burnsei sensei Feb 2013 #57

Any resignation or stripping a priest of his priesthood had to be reported to Ratzinger happyslug Feb 2013 #62

Pope Ratzinger obviously has "Republican Family Values" Berlum Feb 2013 #58

And here we were all thinking he was just suffering from ill health. tavalon Feb 2013 #59

I KNEW it! (Just like I knew there were no weapons of mass destruction.) joanbarnes Feb 2013 #60

The Pope has had a pace maker for years and a recent operation on the pace maker happyslug Feb 2013 #63

Yeah, resigning in the middle of Lent was a huge tell. n/t me b zola Feb 2013 #64

Am I the only one who sees disturbing parallels to Penn State? n/t eggplant Feb 2013 #66

NO. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2013 #71

The bigger question: Why is the laity continuing to put money in the coffers and support the church? cleanhippie Feb 2013 #68

Guilt, Superstition, and Comraderie DreWId Feb 2013 #74

Who will be the new pope? Can't wait for the swimsuit competition. urbuddha Feb 2013 #75

See the old pope toby jo Feb 2013 #78

My rule of thumb for Bushwhacks probably comes into play here... Peace Patriot Feb 2013 #77

"Benedict, then... Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, led the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith" KamaAina Feb 2013 #80

Mea Maxima Culpa: Silence in the House of God, HBO's must see documentary, mother earth Feb 2013 #81

I'm shocked, shocked. Chorophyll Feb 2013 #83