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In reply to the discussion: Every Leftwing Activist needs 2 watch: NDAA Lawsuit- Hedges v. Obama, The Last Thin Line of Defense [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)14. Actually, the only thing more craven is that it passed the Senate with 83 votes
I remember the extensive discussion at the time. The President also issued a signing statement rejecting the controversial aspects (he was slammed for that).
One thing is certain given the amount of support this has in Congress, this issue isn't going away based on an executive order or signing statement.
Is the American public willfully ignorant or just ignorant? Or as a friend of mine told me when we were arguing over Mr. O and his policies. Well, I dont want to know. Im happy with my little life and if I know Ill just be depressed. Perhaps thats the same logic the Germans used as Hitler came to power and began systematically stripping away civil liberties and silencing all dissent. I used to wonder how the Germans could remain silent with all that transpired but now see it happening here in the US and Im truly amazed and pissed off by our complicity in this corruption.
I always confuse President Obama with Hitler.
STATEMENT OF ADMINISTRATION POLICY
S. 3254 National Defense Authorization Act for FY 2013
(Sen. Levin, D-MI)
The Administration appreciates the Senate Armed Services Committee's continued support for our national defense and supports a large number of the provisions in S. 3254, the National Defense Authorization Act for FY 2013, such as its support for both the base budget and for overseas contingency operations; the Administration's initiative to modernize the military retirement system; and authorities that enhance the Department of Defense's (DOD's) ability to operate in unconventional and irregular warfare, counter unconventional threats, or support contingency or stability operations. However, while there are numerous areas of agreement with the Committee, the Administration has serious concerns with provisions that: (1) depart from the President's FY 2013 Budget request; (2) constrain the ability of the Armed Forces to carry out their missions consistent with the new defense strategy; and (3) limit key authorities of the Executive. If the bill is presented to the President for approval in its current form, the President's senior advisers would recommend that the President veto the bill. The Administration strongly supports the overall goals of this legislation and looks forward to working with the Congress to address these and other concerns, a number of which are outlined in more detail below, and eventually signing this important legislation.
Detainee Matters: The Administration strongly objects to section 1031's restrictions on the use of funds to transfer detainees from the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay to foreign countries. When he signed past versions of this legislation, the President objected to the restrictions carried forward by section 1031, promised to work towards their repeal, and warned the Congress that the restrictions on transferring detainees from Guantanamo Bay to foreign countries would in certain circumstances interfere with constitutional responsibilities committed to the Executive Branch. Since these restrictions have been on the books, they have limited the Executive's ability to manage military operations in an ongoing armed conflict, harmed the country's diplomatic relations with allies and counterterrorism partners, and provided no benefit whatsoever to our national security. The Administration continues to believe that restricting the transfer of detainees to the custody of foreign countries in the context of an ongoing armed conflict interferes with the Executive's ability to make important foreign policy and national security determinations, and would in certain circumstances violate constitutional separation of powers principles. The Administration also continues to oppose the prohibition on funding to construct, acquire or modify a detention facility in the United States to house any individual detained at Guantanamo, which shortsightedly constrains the options available to military and counterterrorism professionals to address evolving threats. The restrictions carried forward by section 1031 were misguided when they were enacted and should not be renewed.
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http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/legislative/sap/112/saps3254s_20121129.pdf
S. 3254 National Defense Authorization Act for FY 2013
(Sen. Levin, D-MI)
The Administration appreciates the Senate Armed Services Committee's continued support for our national defense and supports a large number of the provisions in S. 3254, the National Defense Authorization Act for FY 2013, such as its support for both the base budget and for overseas contingency operations; the Administration's initiative to modernize the military retirement system; and authorities that enhance the Department of Defense's (DOD's) ability to operate in unconventional and irregular warfare, counter unconventional threats, or support contingency or stability operations. However, while there are numerous areas of agreement with the Committee, the Administration has serious concerns with provisions that: (1) depart from the President's FY 2013 Budget request; (2) constrain the ability of the Armed Forces to carry out their missions consistent with the new defense strategy; and (3) limit key authorities of the Executive. If the bill is presented to the President for approval in its current form, the President's senior advisers would recommend that the President veto the bill. The Administration strongly supports the overall goals of this legislation and looks forward to working with the Congress to address these and other concerns, a number of which are outlined in more detail below, and eventually signing this important legislation.
Detainee Matters: The Administration strongly objects to section 1031's restrictions on the use of funds to transfer detainees from the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay to foreign countries. When he signed past versions of this legislation, the President objected to the restrictions carried forward by section 1031, promised to work towards their repeal, and warned the Congress that the restrictions on transferring detainees from Guantanamo Bay to foreign countries would in certain circumstances interfere with constitutional responsibilities committed to the Executive Branch. Since these restrictions have been on the books, they have limited the Executive's ability to manage military operations in an ongoing armed conflict, harmed the country's diplomatic relations with allies and counterterrorism partners, and provided no benefit whatsoever to our national security. The Administration continues to believe that restricting the transfer of detainees to the custody of foreign countries in the context of an ongoing armed conflict interferes with the Executive's ability to make important foreign policy and national security determinations, and would in certain circumstances violate constitutional separation of powers principles. The Administration also continues to oppose the prohibition on funding to construct, acquire or modify a detention facility in the United States to house any individual detained at Guantanamo, which shortsightedly constrains the options available to military and counterterrorism professionals to address evolving threats. The restrictions carried forward by section 1031 were misguided when they were enacted and should not be renewed.
- more -
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/legislative/sap/112/saps3254s_20121129.pdf
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Every Leftwing Activist needs 2 watch: NDAA Lawsuit- Hedges v. Obama, The Last Thin Line of Defense [View all]
Catherina
Feb 2013
OP
It should chill every Liberal that the 2 Senators desperate to argue in the hearing = McCain, Graham
Catherina
Feb 2013
#7
its changed..never to return..what remains the same is the format and ability to discuss and share
xiamiam
Feb 2013
#10
there is also a panel discussion on the same day..i googled and found it on you tube
xiamiam
Feb 2013
#9
Thank you xiamiam. I have to run an errand and will listen to it as soon as I get home
Catherina
Feb 2013
#37
The only thing more craven then Obama signing the NDAA into law is the total lack of media coverage
Catherina
Feb 2013
#11
Actually, the only thing more craven is that it passed the Senate with 83 votes
ProSense
Feb 2013
#14
Anonymous found that one senator who voted for NDAA had received a quarter-million dollar donation
Fire Walk With Me
Feb 2013
#16
Anonymous: Night Raid Equipment-Maker Lobbied for NDAA, Singles Out Sen. Rob Portman.
Fire Walk With Me
Feb 2013
#21
all voted for him in 2008..and at least one, Michael Moore, in 2012..but not the majority
xiamiam
Feb 2013
#42
Well, "Land of the free.." is soooo 19th century and the new Bogeyman is soooo scary.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Feb 2013
#40
Unrelated but many thanks for all the hearts. It's a surprise and I'm humbled
Catherina
Feb 2013
#41