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DaveT

(687 posts)
67. Tactics, Schmactics
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:23 PM
Apr 2013

The idea that proposing a budget with Social Security cuts in it does anything bad to Boehner or the Republicans is nonsense. Polling shows no demographic group favors it -- neither Democrats, nor Republicans nor Independents. The Republican Party as an institution does not favor it.

The GOP is always careful to phrase their demented attacks on Social Security as strengthening it or saving it.

Now our 11th Dimensional Chess Master owns the idea of cutting SS benefits -- he is the only major voice in our entire political culture favoring it. The assumption that this is not a serious proposal, but instead a gimmick to trap the GOP is based on nothing more than cognitive dissonance. It does not put the GOP into a "box." It puts President Obama into his own trap, just as in his first term when his continuous groveling before the Tea Party turned the Congress and many State Legislatures over to the Republican Party -- and subsequent gerrymandering to keep the House in GOP hands.

The Average Voter does not follow the blow by blow of legislation. The only thing that the general public will hear out of this is that Obama wants to cut Social Security -- not the purported, Obama is even willing to cut Social Security to get the GOP to raise taxes on the wealthy.

Nobody thinks that cutting Social Security is a good idea. On a parallel issue, Romney and Ryan grasped the populist point and attacked Obama from his left on his "cuts" to Medicare. This did not teach Obama anything -- and now that he has won re-election he is free to pursue his stated goal of the "Grand Bargain" to trade entitlements for tax increases.



I would like to hear from Obama defenders who claim that he is not really going to cut Social Security and that this is just a tactic -- what do you think of the President's basic premise of fiscal "balance" -- getting some form of tax increase in exchange for cuts in entitlements?

I believe that approach is bad public policy and even worse politics. What say the loyalists?

The point of chained CPI is cash flow for the govt w/o the 1% having to pay on point Apr 2013 #1
This. ^^^ CrispyQ Apr 2013 #43
Precisely correct! davekriss Apr 2013 #52
How true. What a shame our President doesn't seem to realize this obvious fact indepat Apr 2013 #65
well, he also IS shanti Apr 2013 #71
Wrong danbeee46 Apr 2013 #72
Guess I should have added that little indepat Apr 2013 #74
Actually, Chained CPI was originally suggested jazzimov Apr 2013 #2
No, what the 1% want is to continually truedelphi Apr 2013 #8
I agree with every word. CrispyQ Apr 2013 #46
Spot on! When my Democratic friends would query BrotherIvan Apr 2013 #53
The Solution Maineman Apr 2013 #63
"it is just made up of sheep inside Wolves Clothing." Plucketeer Apr 2013 #70
That doesn't make any sense. Dragonfli Apr 2013 #11
Let's talk about what makes sense and what doesn't. jazzimov Apr 2013 #22
The op makes since to anyone that has read Will Marshall and the other PPI hacks Dragonfli Apr 2013 #27
And that is how the cookie crumbles. nt raouldukelives Apr 2013 #42
Thanks Dragonfli....This is a must read... KoKo Apr 2013 #59
+ My household. n/t truedelphi Apr 2013 #66
It's probably a little of both JDPriestly Apr 2013 #32
No it wasn't. It is just a wound on the way to cutting up the whole victim. n/t jtuck004 Apr 2013 #19
^^^^^^THIS IS WHAT THIS IS ABOUT^^^^^ cliffordu Apr 2013 #73
K&R MotherPetrie Apr 2013 #3
Ah but - truedelphi Apr 2013 #4
I don't understand why so many dems have such love of Clinton. CrispyQ Apr 2013 #48
Chained CPI has another effect customerserviceguy Apr 2013 #5
Boehner seems willing to accept it starroute Apr 2013 #14
He no longer leads his party customerserviceguy Apr 2013 #34
DLC/Third Way people are responsible for this, and we need to hang it around their necks and sink Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #6
Nothing but a place from which to start the really meaningful compromises. HereSince1628 Apr 2013 #7
You don't start a compromise with a surrender Armstead Apr 2013 #37
You are absolutely right. -I- wouldn't, but Obama DOES HereSince1628 Apr 2013 #39
Actually, ProSense Apr 2013 #9
Just Proves That The 1% Have Been Pushing This Agenda For Decades - Obama Is Falling For It cantbeserious Apr 2013 #10
Obama is not stupid, he is complicit and premeditated this PufPuf23 Apr 2013 #13
I Agree That This Is Premeditated - With Wall Street - Obama Has Proven His Support For The 1% cantbeserious Apr 2013 #15
Much better budget proposal not to mention political tactics. Thanks. PufPuf23 Apr 2013 #16
This I support and is what real dems should be pushing. Not this rw garbage on point Apr 2013 #25
Exactly Art_from_Ark Apr 2013 #38
K&R Progressive Caucus! xtraxritical Apr 2013 #51
Thank you for this. CrispyQ Apr 2013 #60
Couldn't agree more.. truebrit71 Apr 2013 #17
Welcome. Mine get hidden all of the time. Dawgs Apr 2013 #40
Pres Obama is offering the Chained CPI because it is what the Republicans want. He wouldnt offer rhett o rick Apr 2013 #30
So is it your prediction that Obama will cut a deal with Boehner this time? JoePhilly Apr 2013 #35
Hell no! Where did you get that? Boner wont deal. Why offer him cuts in SS? rhett o rick Apr 2013 #54
Wrong. JoePhilly Apr 2013 #55
Wrong??? Isnt that a bit rude? Because you disagree doesnt make me wrong. rhett o rick Apr 2013 #57
You said ... JoePhilly Apr 2013 #62
Pres Obama the leader of the Democratic Party put SS cuts on the table. rhett o rick Apr 2013 #64
The speaker would never accept any of the Presidents plan Larrylarry Apr 2013 #47
There is a second reason Boehner can't accept ... JoePhilly Apr 2013 #58
All that texting really hurts, they have a very limited data plan on their smartphones. Dragonfli Apr 2013 #76
Why don't the DLC crowd.... paleotn Apr 2013 #12
Infiltration, and false flag attacks on seniors wouldn't work without the false flag or pretense Dragonfli Apr 2013 #28
Because of their history. They've been wrong about EVERYTHING jeff47 Apr 2013 #29
I have been begging for that since they reared their ugly heads. Cleita Apr 2013 #50
Clinton's join the GOP? O my. n/t L0oniX Apr 2013 #75
Obama appointed Alan Simpson & Erskine Bowles to his goddamned catfood commission... ProfessionalLeftist Apr 2013 #18
Another post that should be an OP. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #33
+1...and those who early on called it the "Catfood Commission" KoKo Apr 2013 #61
LEAVE BRITTANY ALONE! MNBrewer Apr 2013 #20
Social Security was never brought up during the three 2012 Presidential Debates. DhhD Apr 2013 #21
When will they ever learn that it is NOT their money? nt silvershadow Apr 2013 #23
If he really wanted it, why did he insist on revenue as a non alfredo Apr 2013 #24
I'd add ... JoePhilly Apr 2013 #36
And our outrage undercuts their narrative that Obama is unwilling to meet them half way. alfredo Apr 2013 #41
Also true ... JoePhilly Apr 2013 #45
Obama is the master of Rope a Dope. Ali got booed for using that technique, but alfredo Apr 2013 #56
Wasting money by giving it to other countries for war mondering Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2013 #26
RAISE THE CAP. period. Capn Sunshine Apr 2013 #31
What does he get? It couldn't be a better retirement plan for himself, could it? AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #44
I'm on Social Security. I paid all my bills yesterday. Cleita Apr 2013 #49
Tactics, Schmactics DaveT Apr 2013 #67
Well said-- I could not agree more. Marr Apr 2013 #68
Yep. It took nixon Jakes Progress Apr 2013 #69
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