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freshwest

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157. Tools to create the dystopias of Huxley and Wells.

Fri Apr 26, 2013, 09:27 PM

Apr 2013

The decanting of fetuses cited in Huxley's Brave New World to create permanent societal castes is no longer required. Media is now the greatest teacher and millions want this to be reality.

Non-scientific, non-logical education will produce the Gammas, Deltas and Epsilons who will not be questioning what their lives are. This is part of the war on women. Don't need the hatcheries if women cannot control their own bodies, they will be incubators.

Those that embrace higher education will be the Alphas and Betas, who rule over those who are willing to slide into the lower castes. This is not going to be their educational route.

Dystopia was held off by those with Utopian visions promoting socialism and equality, but this could be the future. How close is the tipping point at which we come to believe there is no hope for equality and blindfully assume these roles?

Or will we support the kind of plans Obama is working on and that many want to save our educational system and provide society mobility and equality?

It's up to us, in the end, which vision we support. RWers support a society based on patronage rewarded by their connections and theocracy. This is a perfect vehicle for it. They want a nation without any of the plans Demcrats work on daily to fight this caste system.

Just my humble opinion.

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the 4th grade science test that has gone viral: sad but its true [View all] rdking647 Apr 2013 OP

Private schools, charter schools and home schooling gopiscrap Apr 2013 #1

Amen! I feel bad for the President's children, who must be getting a second rate education hughee99 Apr 2013 #5

Doubt they are being taught that Jesus rode a dinosaur AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #25

Who knows? Since the post I'm responding to lumps in all hughee99 Apr 2013 #34

+100% /nt demwing Apr 2013 #90

Your proposal sounds like the beginning of a totalitarian society. TimberValley Apr 2013 #21

Andover should be outlawed? KamaAina Apr 2013 #22

There are plenty of good private schools out there NewJeffCT Apr 2013 #65

My daughter is an educator in a charter school, RebelOne Apr 2013 #141

To paint all home schooling with the same brush as this school is wrong. Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2013 #149

This is what we deserve when we put religious beliefs on a pedestal and shield it from criticism. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #2

+1 SunSeeker Apr 2013 #4

^^ You said it. Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #7

+1 Marr Apr 2013 #16

Yes yes yes. Initech Apr 2013 #40

ame with political and philosophical opinions too... LanternWaste Apr 2013 #106

Yer goddam right. Iggo Apr 2013 #109

+ infinity. Apophis Apr 2013 #117

+1 \n Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #119

Sent their kid to a religious school... gcomeau Apr 2013 #3

teaching lies in place of science is child abuse sigmasix Apr 2013 #6

They are not teaching lies, they are teaching ignorance. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #9

Nail meet hammer. snagglepuss Apr 2013 #14

No it is not child abuse. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #26

It IS abuse. It's indoctrination into a dangerous and ignorant cult. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #32

It's not abuse because they believe it to be true Ter Apr 2013 #35

Uhm, okay. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #48

If that's the best you've got, it's no wonder you've already lost Ter Apr 2013 #71

Science does not contradict it's self Lordquinton Apr 2013 #74

Uhm, okay. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #76

I'm sure that's a typo. LiberalAndProud Apr 2013 #91

Exactly MAD Dave Apr 2013 #154

there's shades of 'wrong' yes. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #120

The people who burned that baby alive in Chile Warpy Apr 2013 #132

Sorry, but you don't get to define "child abuse" based on whatever suits your mood. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #37

Neither do you. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #50

sigmasix brought it up, not me. Have you read any of this thread at all? Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #52

I edited. Putting me back on ignore? Now I don't need to read YOUR shitty attitude. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #56

You need to think about what he's saying from a different angle. Sirveri Apr 2013 #150

christians *have* defined 'child abuse' that way in some places.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #121

I do not see where atheism is being equated to child abuse. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #135

"I do not see..." you should have just stopped right there. nt eqfan592 Apr 2013 #148

Oh, zing! Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #152

Sorry, but I've had my fill of bandying words with willfully ignorant and obtuse people for one day. eqfan592 Apr 2013 #161

"Bandying words" is the new euphamism for bullshit? Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #163

clean, I strongly agree. This IS child abuse. ChairmanAgnostic Apr 2013 #68

It may not be actual child abuse, but does come damn close sometimes, IMO. n/t AverageJoe90 Apr 2013 #51

Sometimes. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #54

don't know where to jump in here, but Brainstormy Apr 2013 #66

It is abuse. Purposely disabling a child who is counting on adults. we can do it Apr 2013 #146

Disabling? LOL! Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #151

Know any kids raised this way? Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #156

From foot binding. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #159

I do too. They are crippled. Both in critical thinking and how the world works. we can do it Apr 2013 #164

It is the mental equivalent of foot binding. Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #155

Is this some odd game? Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #158

It should remain perfectly legal. Freedom of religion/speech. nt. TimberValley Apr 2013 #8

I agree, but that school should not legally count as school. ZombieHorde Apr 2013 #11

hee hee. i can see it now.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #122

NO! You are free to believe whatever you want. You should not be free to force... TheMadMonk Apr 2013 #18

So parents can't raise their children in a particular religious upbringing? TimberValley Apr 2013 #24

they should not be, IMO.... mike_c Apr 2013 #28

And you are welcome to your opinion demwing Apr 2013 #84

By example, yes. By indoctrination, NO! TheMadMonk Apr 2013 #41

Why dont you state your argument in the form of a statement in lieu rhett o rick Apr 2013 #160

and what would you do to prevent this? /nt demwing Apr 2013 #92

i agree that we *should not* as parents be indoctrinating.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #123

They should be forced to remove any mention of science from future tests Bosonic Apr 2013 #38

Yes, perfectly legal they shall remain Angelonthesidelines Apr 2013 #73

Wow. Apophis Apr 2013 #82

that's _your_ belief demwing Apr 2013 #85

How can anyone condone this? Apophis Apr 2013 #87

Again, just the above example, or should all religious teaching be criminalized? /nt demwing Apr 2013 #88

If I seem to recall, and correct me if I'm wrong, Apophis Apr 2013 #95

I don't care to change your mind demwing Apr 2013 #97

Teaching children the misinformation on the test should be illegal. Apophis Apr 2013 #98

interesting that that was your 666th post !` demwing Apr 2013 #103

Giving kids that misinformation is dangerous. Apophis Apr 2013 #112

religious education is one thing, indoctrination into a particular religion another. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #126

why? Niceguy1 Apr 2013 #131

Freedom of speech is not teaching lies to children who have no choice. we can do it Apr 2013 #147

When they get to college they learn about electricity Capt. Obvious Apr 2013 #10

You Hit on My Thoughts Exactly. They'll Be So Far Behind Other Students in College dballance Apr 2013 #13

Any electrical engineer would laugh in your face if said that. Initech Apr 2013 #49

"Were you there?" SalviaBlue Apr 2013 #12

The only possible answer to that question is "Yes, I was." Occulus Apr 2013 #78

Which reply begs the question... ohheckyeah Apr 2013 #94

So about that zombie dude MattBaggins Apr 2013 #124

Why yes, yes I was. ohheckyeah Apr 2013 #144

This works against the fundie indoctrination Politicub Apr 2013 #15

true there's plenty of atheists.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #127

That is child abuse. Marr Apr 2013 #17

you're right: "then I don't know what is." /nt demwing Apr 2013 #86

How would you feel if someone raised their child to believe it's the year 2350 Marr Apr 2013 #102

I 'd think they were pretty foolish, but not abusive /nt demwing Apr 2013 #104

Well, we disagree then. Marr Apr 2013 #107

Considering that the vast majority of the country demwing Apr 2013 #110

Wait-- is the "vast majority" of Christianity evolution-denying fundamentalists or not? Marr Apr 2013 #118

No shift demwing Apr 2013 #125

as is often the case with 'most people'.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #128

In the question at hand demwing Apr 2013 #153

Not only can they teach that gollygee Apr 2013 #19

I was there and dinosaurs didn't exist. Liars! Dash87 Apr 2013 #20

That test is beyond bizarre. But interestingly enough... Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #23

And two of the dumbest attorneys I've ever met came from Liberty. Ikonoklast Apr 2013 #42

Liberty granted Sean Hannity an honorary doctorate. They are clearly idiots. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #47

and neither is some supposedly brilliant but unnamed geneticist. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #129

You want to see his resume? Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #136

This message was self-deleted by its author TimberValley Apr 2013 #27

OMG.... mike_c Apr 2013 #30

if Snopes hadn't checked it out I wouldn't have believed it Enrique Apr 2013 #29

Yes, it's hard to believe people would want to do this to their kids. HereSince1628 Apr 2013 #36

As a Christian, I agree with the answers on the test. nt. TimberValley Apr 2013 #31

i don't believe you Enrique Apr 2013 #43

But I do believe it. nt. TimberValley Apr 2013 #44

You believe that man lived amongst dinosaurs and the earth is only 6000 years old... truebrit71 Apr 2013 #55

I'm not sure about 6,000 years old, but I do believe 10,000 years or younger. nt. TimberValley Apr 2013 #59

Believing it to be true doesn't make it so, and believing in the fact of contrary facts... cleanhippie Apr 2013 #62

Wow.. truebrit71 Apr 2013 #64

Respectfully, what is the source for your belief? No Vested Interest Apr 2013 #67

He's dead, Jim Occulus Apr 2013 #79

Thank God! HangOnKids Apr 2013 #81

Yay! The stupid RW troll is gone! Apophis Apr 2013 #99

I hope you are not a science teacher. SalviaBlue Apr 2013 #45

You believe religious dogma trumps reality? Ikonoklast Apr 2013 #46

You can agree all you want, but you will continue to be wrong and wilfully ignorant. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #60

I'm a Christian too, and I don't agree with mercymechap Apr 2013 #72

You're part of the problem in this country. Apophis Apr 2013 #83

Outlawed? Ter Apr 2013 #33

+1! Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #39

agree!! n/t sammytko Apr 2013 #58

Chil abuse is a crime. This is child abuse. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #63

And this is why Republicans win elections Ter Apr 2013 #70

Republicans win because there are those like yourself that would prefer we ignore reality cleanhippie Apr 2013 #75

+1 Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #133

+1000000 nt eqfan592 Apr 2013 #162

If the bible gives the value of pi = 3, as I understand it does, Occulus Apr 2013 #80

It should be illegal to deliberately teach lies and call yourself a 'school' muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #115

telling kids santa is real is WAY WAY different than telling them god is real. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #130

Of course it's true. proud2BlibKansan Apr 2013 #53

that test is an obscenity ZRT2209 Apr 2013 #57

Home schooling should definitely be disallowed. adieu Apr 2013 #61

Like hell. The Straight Story Apr 2013 #77

i don't oppose home schooling but curriculum should be regulated. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #134

thankfully, you don't make the home schooling rules demwing Apr 2013 #89

Bias is well founded adieu Apr 2013 #93

My personal experience trumps your personal experience demwing Apr 2013 #96

Agreed. Apophis Apr 2013 #100

i don't think it should be outlawed, but curriculum should be secular. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #138

ill be retired and these fourth graders will be running the country RedstDem Apr 2013 #69

not if my H.S. Junior has anything to say about it! Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #139

This is what you call child abuse. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #101

that's your opinion demwing Apr 2013 #105

So you're saying that it's okay to lie to children? Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #108

Some "lies" are harmless demwing Apr 2013 #111

We're not talking about religious tradition now, are we? Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #114

Teaching ones child about ones relgion is one thing, brainwashing them to believe nonsense is anothe cleanhippie Apr 2013 #142

THIS. Apophis Apr 2013 #113

As Frank Schaeffer described it - "The home school and Christian school movement are creating the Douglas Carpenter Apr 2013 #116

Home schoolers on DU about to smite you in 3...2....1 GoneOffShore Apr 2013 #145

I guess you can't legislate stupid. There will be a lot of kids who will not have clue one about Pisces Apr 2013 #137

Not just ignorant, WILFULLY ignorant. And that should be a crime. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #143

Statement from Sarah Palin Brimley Apr 2013 #140

Tools to create the dystopias of Huxley and Wells. freshwest Apr 2013 #157