DU you believe that most people who oppose expansive NSA surveillance are libertarian trolls?

[Savannahmann]

6. That is a common meme.

The idea that anyone who is suspicious of Government spying is somehow a RW or Libertarian Troll. Yet I've explained my own motivation many times, and I feel it is set into historic and basic liberal principles. From the anti-war demonstrations at the 1968 Democratic Convention, to the anti-nuke rally's in the 1980's. This has been a common and respected thread joining all progressives, working towards a better world. We contribute, campaign, man (woman) phone banks in an effort to get the vote out. We aren't doing this difficult and exhausting labor, in my case always for free, so my government can spy on everyone.

I did it to help elect people who would help people. We don't want a secret police, no matter how secret. We want a government that will strive for a better world. A better educated world where children from all neighborhoods get the education that the best schools provide to the heirs of the rich. We want to have health care for all, the basic human right of decent food, and decent care.

There is a facility about to go online, it cost $2 Billion and it is dedicated to spying on us all. How many hungry people could have gotten decent meals from that money? How many people could have gotten decent medical care for that money. Do you realize that is more money that the GNP of many countries? All to spy on us, not to help the people, or care for the people, but to keep an eye on the people so they can identify shadowy dangers lurking in the night.

I can think of a lot of good that could be done with $2 Billion. We could feed Africa for a year or more. We could fire up a second or third Mercy Ship to bring medical care to the same region.

This is not what I fought for, argued for, and sacrificed my time to bring forward. We are approaching Independance Day. Do you think those men froze at Valley Forge to break away from a Monarchy just so we could have a Plutocracy?

I argue for civil rights, because if we don't fight for them, we will lose them forever.

Everyone who objects is not a Libertarian. Some of us are wondering where our Party went, and we worry what will happen if a Republican wins in 2016. We will have given a facist incredible power we will be powerless to resist.