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ucrdem

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69. Thank you Astrad, you expressed that beautifully.

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 03:23 PM

Jun 2013

I'm quoting it to put in my journal:

Left-leaning libertarian is a contradiction. Left-leaning would suggest one supports a greater role of the state in society, particularly economic, while libertarian generally advocates for less state involvement. So I think these people you speak of don't actually exist.

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Lying sack of s*** of the week: Edward Snowden [View all] riqster Jun 2013 OP

why the fuck should I care, Mr. bluntandcranky? cali Jun 2013 #1

+1 newfie11 Jun 2013 #2

I have to say Art_from_Ark Jun 2013 #5

I would submit that deifying the messenger likewise takes away from the message. riqster Jun 2013 #6

"grownups" bobduca Jun 2013 #10

You have hyperbole running full steam, but no content at all. You asscuse others of 'deifying' Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #12

Just type "snowden is a hero" in that little search box thing up there to the right. MH1 Jun 2013 #88

I just did. Got a little over 1,000 hits. Taken in context though, they're not what you imply... cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #93

I did ... and the first page of results included some calling him a hero. MH1 Jun 2013 #95

I think we can agree that "hero" is one of the most misused words in the English language. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #96

Why would you conflate heroic status with a godhead? TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #131

nothing like shit served up early in the morning. cali Jun 2013 #13

cali is not and has not done anything like 'deification' or canonization' of anyone, much less Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #18

thanks for backing me up on that, B cali Jun 2013 #23

It's what the left-leaning Libertarians infesting this site, do: absolve Snowden and GiGi BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #34

Oh, if you could only exterminate that infestation! Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #50

This board was created and is run to support Democrats, not Libertarians who vote Ron Paul or BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #63

Take a deep breath, tough guy. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #70

Likewise, comrade. ucrdem Jun 2013 #72

I have no idea what you're trying to say. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #77

Neither does he, been year for just a few months and has already decided he is the hall monitor. Dragonfli Jun 2013 #85

No, Grumps. That wasn't what my post was about and you know it. BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #81

So anyone who disagrees with your views on the NSA SomethingFishy Jun 2013 #71

WTF? BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #75

My problem is you have no room for dissent in "your" party. SomethingFishy Jun 2013 #83

And yet... BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #112

Not every ACLU card-carrying civil libertarian votes for Ron Paul NoOneMan Jun 2013 #84

I cannot think of anything that undermines the Democratic Party more than Democrats in power djean111 Jun 2013 #86

Left-leaning libertarian is a contradiction Astrad Jun 2013 #68

Thank you Astrad, you expressed that beautifully. ucrdem Jun 2013 #69

I am a left-leaning libertarian. With a small "L" Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #74

Oh boy... You are dangerously close to outing yourself as a commie. I know because I am one. idwiyo Jun 2013 #103

That's how it used to be, but it ain't no more's. It changed when Obama became president. eom BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #82

Check out http://www.politicalcompass.org/ NoOneMan Jun 2013 #87

speaking of infesting this site there is a bunch of blind followers of this admin boilerbabe Jun 2013 #104

Democratic partisans posting on Democratic Underground, imagine that. ucrdem Jun 2013 #106

Who or what is a "GiGi"? (n/t) SMC22307 Jun 2013 #111

Yay! shenmue Jun 2013 #53

+ a million truebluegreen Jun 2013 #28

++good nebenaube Jun 2013 #56

First post wins the thread. Apophis Jun 2013 #99

blunt and cranky N/T sheshe2 Jun 2013 #102

+!00 nt 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #105

Read the fucking article before replying. gcomeau Jun 2013 #128

what is more important: attacking snowden or ending mass surveillance? Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #3

Attacking the messenger is WAY more important than being outraged about the message. hobbit709 Jun 2013 #4

waiting for a new SCOTUS in 2018 because this one will just affirm it forever. graham4anything Jun 2013 #7

They've already stuck their fingers in their Libertarian ears and are going BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #43

Try actually *reading* the Vanity Fair article. -eom gcomeau Jun 2013 #129

what was the lie he told? RedstDem Jun 2013 #8

Cheesy, transparent, exploitative fear mongering aimed at weak minded cowards. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #9

Cheesy, transparent, exploitive fear mongering aimed at weak minded cowards. Zoeisright Jun 2013 #21

AHahaha Snowden SUCKS! Bwahahah! 'Murica! Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #11

Pin Up Politics from Teen Beat minds.... Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #14

Oh goody! 99Forever Jun 2013 #15

You make unsupported accusations against others. When asked to suport your accusations Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #16

Another addition to my ignore list. n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #17

Childish. Are all Libertarian Puritans that childish? eom BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #46

LSoSotW = Douchebag Post of the Day. Arctic Dave Jun 2013 #19

The Vanity Fair article is compelling and thorough frazzled Jun 2013 #20

The article doesn't have any lies by Snowden. ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #108

They don't want to read anything that's not 100% pro-Snowden Galraedia Jun 2013 #118

When journalists attack: Glenn Greenwald takes on Kurt Eichenwald over the NSA story Karmadillo Jun 2013 #22

That's rich, coming from a blogger. ucrdem Jun 2013 #24

How does one define journalism? What Barbara Starr does? Karmadillo Jun 2013 #26

If you're talking about this Barbara Starr, I'd say they're on the same page, ucrdem Jun 2013 #32

Not close, I'm afraid. Barabara Starr who plays a Pentagon Spokesperson at CNN. I assumed you Karmadillo Jun 2013 #37

A full-time CNN watcher I'm not, sorry. ucrdem Jun 2013 #39

So, then, how do you define who is a journalist and who is not? Karmadillo Jun 2013 #44

GG is a glorified CATO propagandist and Koch client. ucrdem Jun 2013 #47

See post #51 (and once you see it, try to tell the truth from here on out) Karmadillo Jun 2013 #55

Perhaps they mean Brenda Starr, ucrdem??? sheshe2 Jun 2013 #107

Brenda Starr, girl reporter, of course! ucrdem Jun 2013 #109

One must be a journalist with credentials from you truebluegreen Jun 2013 #31

GG can say what he wants, but he is and always will be a dishonest attorney. ucrdem Jun 2013 #36

So his problem isn't that he's a "non-journalist" truebluegreen Jun 2013 #45

Frankly that's the least of GG's problems at the moment. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #48

Is that the best you could do? truebluegreen Jun 2013 #90

It's better than GG has done. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #101

p.s. nice to see Glenn's CATO conversations posted here. ucrdem Jun 2013 #25

Is this a Cato conversation of Glenn's or Karmadillo Jun 2013 #27

Per your article GG was responding to "Julian Sanchez of the Cato Institute" ucrdem Jun 2013 #30

What's your point? @normative responded to Eichenwald's tweet directed at Greenwald. Greenwald Karmadillo Jun 2013 #35

Yes. Greenwald's CATO connection reflects very poorly on Greenwald. ucrdem Jun 2013 #38

Thanks for not answering my question, but regarding your concerns about Greenwald's Cato Karmadillo Jun 2013 #41

CATO is run by the Koch brothers, and I object to everything they stand for and support. ucrdem Jun 2013 #42

Do you think that one will apologize BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #49

When pigs fly, sure. ucrdem Jun 2013 #54

Lame. Greenwald notes those sorts of attacks on him are lies. Here is Karmadillo Jun 2013 #51

A liar lying about his lies is not exactly persuasive, if you follow. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #57

Really? If you're talking about Greenwald, please point out where in the statement he's lying. I'm Karmadillo Jun 2013 #58

takes one to know one grasswire Jun 2013 #65

Yep. GiGi is a renowned flip-flopper. For Bush. Against Bush. For CATO. Against CATO. BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #59

Let us call it an act of faith. ucrdem Jun 2013 #61

If you can't respond with facts to Greenwald's statement, I understand. Karmadillo Jun 2013 #62

They've been pointed out ad nauseum but here's a link to help you catch up: ucrdem Jun 2013 #66

Show us where Greenwald said he didn't know Snowden until he landed in HK. Demit Jun 2013 #76

Ah, the old guilt by association. Senator Joe McCarthy would approve. Demit Jun 2013 #64

He would approve of Greenwald, yes. ucrdem Jun 2013 #67

No, ucrdem, you. McCarthy would approve of you. Demit Jun 2013 #73

Let's see, who is holding in his hand proof that the President is spying? ucrdem Jun 2013 #100

Greedwald doesn't even answer the question.... Galraedia Jun 2013 #119

meh.... mike_c Jun 2013 #29

Sty gate's been opened...pigs are escaping in droves...sure, keep trying MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #33

Lmao@your ignorance!! darkangel218 Jun 2013 #40

Exposing the truth I was on board with. riqster Jun 2013 #89

What? Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #122

Snowden only took the job so that he could steal information. Galraedia Jun 2013 #123

And you wish he hadnt, so everyone could live happily after. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #124

No, I wish he hadn't ran off to a non-allied foreign nation to expose... Galraedia Jun 2013 #126

If he had run to.the Congress, the public would not have been informed. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #127

That's the point: OUR OWN COUNTRY. Galraedia Jun 2013 #130

You cant have the cake and eat it too. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #135

He took four computers full of govt. data and fled the country. shenmue Jun 2013 #52

No one should look at him as anything more than a traitor. Lady Freedom Returns Jun 2013 #94

That's exactly what he is. BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #115

But he went to China and Russia to complain about how oppressed he was in the USA... Galraedia Jun 2013 #125

The winner three weeks running! randome Jun 2013 #60

Awesome sig! riqster Jun 2013 #79

Actually the lying sacks of shit are in our government and M$M n/t usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #78

Ignore the messenger! Especially if he came from the Cato Institute DontTreadOnMe Jun 2013 #80

You mean the Cato Institute funded by the Koch Brothers? flamingdem Jun 2013 #92

I meant to show how little respect I have for Greenwald and his partner Snowden DontTreadOnMe Jun 2013 #97

I like that flamingdem Jun 2013 #98

More like Red. GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #91

Very good article, if anyone takes the time sheshe2 Jun 2013 #110

This is who the Traitorass ran too - GhostNet - China's cyberware on Tibet... Whisp Jun 2013 #114

So Snowden BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #116

Did you notice you were alerted on flamingdem Jun 2013 #132

Yes BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #133

That was a major stalking move by them flamingdem Jun 2013 #134

My tummy is much better today, thank you, flamingdem. BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #136

Vanity Fair does some good work. riqster Jun 2013 #120

DUrec... SidDithers Jun 2013 #113

Snowden's crazy cult fanbase keeps complaining about people attacking the messenger... Galraedia Jun 2013 #117

Not to mention the inherent hypocrisy riqster Jun 2013 #121