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magical thyme

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55. the resident with the best view that night recanted on re-direct

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 11:50 AM

Jul 2013

That reads as a very biased take, imo. The resident "with the best view" initially told police he couldn't tell who was on top. It wasn't until later that he started claiming Zimmerman was on top. My understanding from an article I read last Friday in the MSM (was at work, so couldn't post at the time) is that on re-direct, he admitted he really had no idea who was on top and he amended his "ground and pound" and "mma" comments to "downward motions." And since Zimmerman was the one with mma training, that points back toward Zimmerman on top at some point.

I'm curious about what makes everybody so sure he had the best view. Being closest doesn't not ensure the best view, in particular after dark the lighting can vary significantly, depending on what lights are on and where. And what about the other witnesses who definitively saw Zimmerman on top and the man on top get up immediately after the gunshot? Does their testimony not count?

"The officer also said that Mr. Zimmerman told him he had been yelling for help." That's nothing new. We know Zimmerman's been claiming to be the one yelling for help since day one.

We also know he was on his back at some point.

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In Zimmerman Trial, Prosecution Witnesses Bolster Self-Defense Claims[NY Times] [View all] hack89 Jul 2013 OP

"self defense" because the guy with the gun is always supposed to win? KurtNYC Jul 2013 #1

Of course Zimmerman is responsible for what happened hack89 Jul 2013 #2

You're forgetting the lesser included charge of manslaughter. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #6

That could get tricky for the government hack89 Jul 2013 #8

That was the problem with the Casey Anthony case. It's not really the case here. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #10

Zim admits to shooting him so the presumption of innocence is a little different here KurtNYC Jul 2013 #9

There are justified homicides hack89 Jul 2013 #12

So the burden of proof is on ZIMMERMAN to justify it NOT the prosecution uponit7771 Jul 2013 #24

That is NOT how the court system works joeglow3 Jul 2013 #29

No - that is not how it works hack89 Jul 2013 #35

Who determines if the defendant has made a prima facie showing of self defense? dkf Jul 2013 #49

Not sure. I suspect the process is tilted towards the defendant hack89 Jul 2013 #50

Also from your link, self defense needs aggravated battery. dkf Jul 2013 #52

Personally, I wouldn't think so. PotatoChip Jul 2013 #56

I'm sorry but this was murder in the first degree madokie Jul 2013 #3

I am not the one who charged him with 2nd degree murder - the state of Florida did. hack89 Jul 2013 #4

didn't say you were madokie Jul 2013 #5

Having a round chamberr does not prove premeditation. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #7

No its not madokie Jul 2013 #13

no, of you carry for self defence you hsve the gun ready yo fire loli phabay Jul 2013 #15

LOL madokie Jul 2013 #16

Every day that you are out in public, you pass by people like me. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #32

I know several madokie Jul 2013 #36

You have checked with CWL instructors? GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #38

All hunters I know have a round chambered, safety on, finger off the trigger. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #18

Nope on both counts madokie Jul 2013 #19

I was in Vietnam too. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #23

Notice you're a Nam vet, premium Jul 2013 #27

Nope madokie Jul 2013 #30

So you and your unit waited until contact to chamber your weapons and give premium Jul 2013 #40

whenever I rack any weapon I immediatly top of my mag loli phabay Jul 2013 #31

That's the smart thing to do premium Jul 2013 #41

I don't believe him at all. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #45

I don't either. premium Jul 2013 #48

Not sure if serious... Pelican Jul 2013 #34

WTF madokie Jul 2013 #39

WTF indeed... Pelican Jul 2013 #44

My definition of self defense doesn't include starting the ruckus to begin with. hobbit709 Jul 2013 #11

Unfortunately Florida law sees it differently than you do. nt hack89 Jul 2013 #14

No it doesn't madokie Jul 2013 #17

Florida law allows the aggressor to use deadly force in self defense in specific situations hack89 Jul 2013 #20

Damn sure not in this situation madokie Jul 2013 #21

I take it you have not read the law. nt hack89 Jul 2013 #25

I take it you don't understand the law madokie Jul 2013 #26

It is in black and white. hack89 Jul 2013 #37

you are wrong RGR375 Jul 2013 #53

ZIMMERMAN TRAINED MMA 3 TIMES A WEEK! I don't believe they left that little tid bit out... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #22

This is the most bizarre trial I've ever watched. pintobean Jul 2013 #28

Hell, this keeps up premium Jul 2013 #33

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #42

Did you miss Casey Anthony? lol Little Star Jul 2013 #43

Dig It!!! nt. winstars Jul 2013 #46

So gz is the only one allowed self defense? Faux pas Jul 2013 #47

No - that is why the issue of who threw the first blow is so important to this case. hack89 Jul 2013 #51

A god given right RGR375 Jul 2013 #54

the resident with the best view that night recanted on re-direct magical thyme Jul 2013 #55

Jonathan Good always said that Trayvon was on top hack89 Jul 2013 #57