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48. I do not always agree with every decision Obama makes or every statement but since he

Tue Jul 2, 2013, 03:26 PM

Jul 2013

Stays close the the Democrat values I do not have lots of conflicts. I do not agree with Snowden's decision to work for an agency like NSA, know I have a Code of Ethic, purposely move to another position in order to obtain more information, steal and copy the information to use in any manner he chose to do so. There is no amount of explaining can overcome his actions. The more I hear from Snowden or his spokesmen makes his actions greater. I do not like a thief and the charge of espionage is proper. The collection of phone call records was known some years back and follow up of wiretapping was also known. The question comes up often if this was already known then why charge Snowden with anything. The answer is he has been charge with a crime against our nation, though some believe the program is not to their liking violating the law has consequences.

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Cenk Uygur on Melissa Harris-Perry: Obama Loyalists Attack Snowden... For Not Being MLK?! [View all] NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 OP

What we're seeing is classic Authoritarian Personality Disorder. backscatter712 Jul 2013 #1

I just don't understand the blatant hypocrisy. NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 #2

To be somewhat fair, Bush circumvented the court and had warrantless wiretapping. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #5

So Obama gets a BS warrant that covers everyone and now it's all good? n/t NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 #7

A warrant that covers everyone? You don't need a warrant for metadata, but you do for wiretapping JaneyVee Jul 2013 #9

You *do* need a warrant for metadata. That's why FISA was involved to begin with. SlimJimmy Jul 2013 #10

And we know what a tough check-and-balance those secret FISA "courts" are! villager Jul 2013 #76

Oh, I absolutely agree with you, and have said so many times in quite a few threads. I was SlimJimmy Jul 2013 #89

I know -- but it's sort of "warrant in name only" at this point villager Jul 2013 #90

Agreed, but the previous poster said that no warrant was needed at all. Even under SlimJimmy Jul 2013 #93

right. "technically" villager Jul 2013 #94

26 Sens.: NSA is relying on a "secret body of law" to collect massive amounts of data on US citizens usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #65

there is a demand for that Enrique Jul 2013 #15

For them, it doesn't matter whether the next president is Christie, Jeb Bush, or Clinton. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #27

Idiotic (robotic talking point) statement of the decade. aquart Jul 2013 #56

You like authoritarians who support the super-rich, job outsourcing, endless wars, ... AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #58

Full of unsupported assumptions, I see. aquart Jul 2013 #60

Have you ever been unhappy with authoritarians who support the super-rich, job outsourcing, endless AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #63

fuck ron paul arely staircase Jul 2013 #28

Bush should have been impeached for his illegal wiretapping Life Long Dem Jul 2013 #37

Imagine if Bush claimed the right to execute US citizens without a trial? NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author arely staircase Jul 2013 #26

Whose? Snowden's? aquart Jul 2013 #53

Spying SamKnause Jul 2013 #3

But he IS Paul Revere and Daniel Ellsberg rolled into one! randome Jul 2013 #4

And you demonstrate the OP to be amazingly on point. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #6

They have been reduced to a parody of themselves. bvar22 Jul 2013 #39

Snowden is not relevant to me but here's Ellsberg opinion of him: NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 #8

Sorry, Ellsberg is wrong. randome Jul 2013 #12

Plus he recorded that a week ago before he no doubt realized flamingdem Jul 2013 #16

I provided a response to your request in your thread and you ignored it. NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 #18

I viewed what you posted, thanks flamingdem Jul 2013 #19

Please find and post a statement from Ellsberg critical of Snowden's asylum requests. NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 #23

I don't think we'll see it for a while flamingdem Jul 2013 #24

I talked with Ellsberg on Sunday while marching (well - he rode) together in the Bradley Manning Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #83

You have no idea what exactly he has. No one seems to know that. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #29

You're right. I don't. I'm only going by what's been released so far. randome Jul 2013 #49

The docs show the classic fascist marriage of morningfog Jul 2013 #41

They do nothing of the sort. randome Jul 2013 #51

What about the Internet Corporations listed across the top of this document? NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 #52

Do we need to do this again? randome Jul 2013 #54

If you're remedial then repeat yourself. NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 #64

You're conflating the PowerPoint slide about Internet Providers with the telecom data. randome Jul 2013 #68

lol - twisting in the wind you are... how about 26 senators saying the NSA is SPYING on Americans? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #70

They are demanding answers. A 'demand' is 'evidence'? randome Jul 2013 #74

There is plenty of evidence, you just refuse to see for some reason usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #75

I was working under the assumption that you morningfog Jul 2013 #79

Perhaps you could point me to the contention I responded to. randome Jul 2013 #87

26 Sens.: NSA is relying on a "secret body of law" to collect massive amounts of data on US citizens usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #67

Demanding answers is hardly proof of anything. randome Jul 2013 #72

Glad to see Ellsberg speaking out so forcefully on this, woo me with science Jul 2013 #20

He started a petition: G_j Jul 2013 #34

Many people cite Ellsberg in their criticism of Snowden and don't even know where he stands on him. NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 #38

Obama is right. Obama is right. Obama is right. Boring and useless. DesMoinesDem Jul 2013 #11

she was one of the originators of the "racist" meme frylock Jul 2013 #14

What drives me crazy is that she KNOWS better just like the posters here. n/t NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 #17

Watching MSNBC during this period is what it must have been like to watch Fox during the Bush years. The Link Jul 2013 #13

Interesting comment. Skidmore Jul 2013 #22

Don't watch Fox. Don't have cable. Experience through hearsay, which I trust. The Link Jul 2013 #25

K&R woo me with science Jul 2013 #21

You mean Cenk the "former" Republican doesn't respect MHP? I'm shocked! Shocked, I say! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #30

He's more consistent than the "I'm a Blue Dog" and "Moderate Republican of the 80's" Democrat n/t. NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 #32

I'm not surprised Cenk doesn't care much for MHP or Pres. Obama. It's in his DNA. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #47

It just so happens that you have problems with people that have been critical of Obama NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 #62

But enough about me. Nothing about Cenk's sudden & inexplicable conversion? Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #66

You reply makes no sense. You can't refute the argument so you attack the messenger. NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 #69

Moving On! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #77

Well our President calls himself a moderate republican now. What can we assume about his motives? NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 #80

What you don't get is that there was never an argument to be had. I know who Cenk is. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #86

How about Obama's works? NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 #88

Ad hominem attack much? KeepItReal Jul 2013 #33

Nope. I stand by every word. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #43

boooooring usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #73

If that's true, then win a fuckin' national election, why doncha? "Authoritarians & Totalitarians"? Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #78

we all have a role to play, mine is not in comforting them in their wrong-doing usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #81

Go win an election, then we might have something to talk about. Until then..... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #85

Well, my Democratic Senators are pressing this Patriot Act Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #91

It's always nice to see MLK and Rosa Parks used to defend the abuses of the powerful. JVS Jul 2013 #31

MHP started to lose me when she defended PDittie Jul 2013 #35

A lot of people believed that GWB wouldn't win. NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 #42

Yes, Magic 8 Ball say PDittie Jul 2013 #50

Cenk nails it... truebrit71 Jul 2013 #36

You defenders conveniently forget the 4 laptops & the little tryst with China & Russia, don't you? Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #44

You'd charge Ellsberg for the binders and paperclips he used to collect the Pentagon papers. n/t NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 #46

Ellsberg didn't run off to China and tell them what we were doing in Vietnam. Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #82

Dear Ignored... truebrit71 Jul 2013 #45

As I expected, you completely evade the issue that's troubling even the most ardent Snowden.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #84

I do not always agree with every decision Obama makes or every statement but since he Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #48

He gave up a pole dancer - what else do they want? lame54 Jul 2013 #55

Funny how neither Edward nor Lindsay seem to be pining for one another. randome Jul 2013 #57

Cenk Uygur is Wrong gholtron Jul 2013 #59

You can disagree but how do you disagree with yourself based on who's in office? NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 #61

How.can I disagree with myself based on who is in office? gholtron Jul 2013 #71

well, to be precise, the statements by the two hacks reorg Jul 2013 #92