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upaloopa

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Thu Jul 4, 2013, 09:43 AM Jul 2013

This may not be a popular idea, but we didn't fight for your freedom. [View all]

Every Memorial Day and Fourth of July I get an email by our class news letter guy. We graduated high school in 1964 so just about the whole class of an all boys Catholic school was in the military. The email is sent to everyone of our class mates that is still alive.

He lists everyone who was in the service and the branch of service. Just about all of us served in the Vietnam war in some capacity.

Then he gives this long rant about how we are free because of the service of the vets. It may be true that we haven't been attacked since Peril Harbor because we have a strong military and we were a part of it, but none of us fought in a war to protect our freedoms.

We fought to protect the war profiteers. President Eisenhower warned us about the military industrial complex but we never took what he said to heart.

The Korean, Vietnam, Granada, Kosovo, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya and maybe Syria wars were never about our freedoms. They were about maintaining or over throwing some political regime for the growing of the wealth of the 1%.

Those of us who served were pawns and the pawns are usually kids of the lower economic classes.

So go ahead and say we fought for your freedom if that makes you feel good, but that meme will never get us to the truth and will never prevent the next mass "hair on fire" run up to war that some Cheney type individual will present to you in the future,

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Unfortunately, true.... Wounded Bear Jul 2013 #1
+1 lsewpershad Jul 2013 #68
K&R "War is a racket" think Jul 2013 #2
Sad but true fjlovato Jul 2013 #7
Yep. There is always a case for self defense but most of our wars don't qualify... think Jul 2013 #16
The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq did "pay for themselves..." hunter Jul 2013 #39
Doh! think Jul 2013 #41
The celebration kicked off early in our community last night... hunter Jul 2013 #65
Yep. Paid for themselves, if you don't count taxpayers. merrily Jul 2013 #102
K&R 99Forever Jul 2013 #3
War is a Racket. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #4
K&R Arkansas Granny Jul 2013 #5
Well put: "for the growing of the wealth of the 1%." Smarmie Doofus Jul 2013 #6
I wish I could rec this more than once! Martin Eden Jul 2013 #8
au contrair pasto76 Jul 2013 #12
au contrair 2 Martin Eden Jul 2013 #64
Which rhetoric is for dumbshit Americans who want to feel like tough guys? merrily Jul 2013 #75
The Real 1% 4Q2u2 Jul 2013 #152
Something very few vets come to terms with easily once we come home. marble falls Jul 2013 #9
Many vets see themselves The Wizard Jul 2013 #25
Pure wizardry! Enthusiast Jul 2013 #48
Hey, don't spoil the brainwashing! nt valerief Jul 2013 #10
Every 4th and Memorial Day.. I honor those who serve.. especially Peacetrain Jul 2013 #11
Honor our service, but don't accept uncritically what we served for. marble falls Jul 2013 #31
Very well put. Hoyt Jul 2013 #56
+1000. premium Jul 2013 #66
Here, here! brush Jul 2013 #141
+1 n/t pitbullgirl1965 Jul 2013 #145
What's the point of freedom without $? We fought those wars for our economic security JackN415 Jul 2013 #13
I guess people need reasons to justify war. Yours is a new one to me. I assume you are not being upaloopa Jul 2013 #15
1- sarcastic or not depending on your interpretation. 2- where did I say that this... JackN415 Jul 2013 #23
Then clearly it's not about "freedom," tblue Jul 2013 #121
Not to defend it in the slightest, but his is one of the oldest justifications for war there is. Posteritatis Jul 2013 #114
For rich folk's economic security. Lex Jul 2013 #19
Yes, we did. The trickled down stuffs in their pants. Don't you know? JackN415 Jul 2013 #24
No. This is one of the most important myths... JackRiddler Jul 2013 #58
It's best to leave to historians like Gibbon, Durant, or... JackN415 Jul 2013 #74
THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ socialist_n_TN Jul 2013 #27
American Workers Used to get a Cut of the Spoils ... HumansAndResources Jul 2013 #125
Do you have a mouse in you pocket? rdharma Jul 2013 #28
our=the USA. How to divide the spoil between the ruling elite and the dead soldiers.. JackN415 Jul 2013 #35
"Trickle Down", eh? rdharma Jul 2013 #37
You can always negotiate for a better piece real estate on a memorial wall for your name JackN415 Jul 2013 #40
There are other means to economic security. War is about the worst choice. gtar100 Jul 2013 #32
please see this:http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3167014 JackN415 Jul 2013 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author JackN415 Jul 2013 #77
Holy shit. WilliamPitt Jul 2013 #33
Nice admission burnodo Jul 2013 #44
So we fought wars for economic security. Maedhros Jul 2013 #104
All the money down the drain for wars and "defense" contractors Arugula Latte Jul 2013 #135
In other words - sibelian Jul 2013 #136
armed robbery JackN415 Jul 2013 #150
You said all... Sancho Jul 2013 #14
Thanks for saying it. zeemike Jul 2013 #17
I say again The Wizard Jul 2013 #18
Well, if not the Vietcong, then the next domino like Malaysians... then JackN415 Jul 2013 #30
Logic is not your forte: slippery-slope SkyIsGrey Jul 2013 #42
History is not your forte. When were you born? google "Domino theory" Vietnam war. JackN415 Jul 2013 #46
I know of it. SkyIsGrey Jul 2013 #55
Parody and satire are not your forte. Ever read things like the Onion? JackN415 Jul 2013 #71
More like Poe's law. SkyIsGrey Jul 2013 #83
Think he just forgot the sarcasm tag. nt brush Jul 2013 #142
Are you aware that we LOST the War in Vietnam? bvar22 Jul 2013 #86
We did????? when? :D ... my post was a satire of the unbelievably stupid domino theory JackN415 Jul 2013 #100
Dominoe's............ JimboBillyBubbaBob Jul 2013 #146
"Parody and satire are not your forte." bvar22 Jul 2013 #109
and like humor and beauty... it's a matter of taste JackN415 Jul 2013 #115
Don't forget Brewinblue Jul 2013 #82
You can't escape the fate that the sun will be a Red giant and swallow the whole earth eventually JackN415 Jul 2013 #90
Bwaahahahahaha! truebluegreen Jul 2013 #106
Vietnam is communist what have we lost? upaloopa Jul 2013 #96
Psst: I don't think he is being serious truebluegreen Jul 2013 #107
This is too true, however, Curmudgeoness Jul 2013 #20
That's right... ReRe Jul 2013 #21
PLUS ONE! Enthusiast Jul 2013 #54
Thanks, Enthusiast... ReRe Jul 2013 #61
I served and Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #22
WW2 is truly a moral war and those who served should be very proud JackN415 Jul 2013 #43
I think if you look at the difference between N and S Korea 7962 Jul 2013 #118
We've disagreed on Snowden before today, but I wanted to let you know that you and your generation HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #108
Thank you, upaloopa. Octafish Jul 2013 #26
Thanks for the truth on a jingoistic holiday... socialist_n_TN Jul 2013 #29
Actually it was the Vietnamese who were fighting for their freedom. Zen Democrat Jul 2013 #34
Yes but misguided. It was a civil war and we had better not got involved, the way we JackN415 Jul 2013 #50
Factual. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #59
My dad, who served in the USAF for 23 years, probably felt this way. kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #38
Those that cheer the wars are invariably chickenhawks. nt Enthusiast Jul 2013 #60
You and I kinda got into this yesterday premium Jul 2013 #45
Exactly...........nt Enthusiast Jul 2013 #62
Good post. Hoyt Jul 2013 #63
lovely response Skittles Jul 2013 #72
I also found names of my friends on the Wall. upaloopa Jul 2013 #99
I never said anything about glory, premium Jul 2013 #101
Vietnam was different. pitbullgirl1965 Jul 2013 #151
Thank you pitbullgirl1965. nt. premium Jul 2013 #153
I don't want to hijack the thread--actually add to the idea-- mnhtnbb Jul 2013 #47
I was walking in Ben Hoa in Feb 1968 after it was upaloopa Jul 2013 #105
And 45 years later you probably wouldn't recognize Vietnam. mnhtnbb Jul 2013 #110
I should have said 45 years later, I keep losing track of time the older I get. One of the things upaloopa Jul 2013 #130
It is a simple concept Rain Mcloud Jul 2013 #49
It is a lot more complex than that treestar Jul 2013 #51
I think this applies to the US Civil War, too. 12AngryBorneoWildmen Jul 2013 #52
The war for The Carlyle Group, Booz Allen, et al Civilization2 Jul 2013 #53
Well said. nt rrneck Jul 2013 #57
Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy. - Henry Kissinger L0oniX Jul 2013 #67
I agree completely. Arugula Latte Jul 2013 #69
Powerful post and comments pitbullgirl1965 Jul 2013 #143
I agreed with Kosovo. East Coast Pirate Jul 2013 #70
Thank you for your insight and candor. merrily Jul 2013 #73
There were 2,594,000 U.S. troops in Viet Nam from 65-73. You don't speak for all Vets. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #76
It's not just my opinion, it is the truth. upaloopa Jul 2013 #129
Agreed upaloopa..... BrainDrain Jul 2013 #139
You say "patriotism will always be exploited" How can that be if none of the 2.5 million Viet Nam AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #156
Since there were 2,594,000 of us in Viet Nam, I don't consider the status of one person as being a AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #157
I was drafted and I been through all that shit upaloopa Jul 2013 #159
Your special claim as a Viet Nam vet and your irrational insults don't make what you say to be true. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #160
Look, all I said was we didn't fight to protect our freedoms. You added all the extra shit around upaloopa Jul 2013 #161
Agreed. I'd say WWII was the last war where our freedom was seriously threatened. geckosfeet Jul 2013 #78
And during WWII there was some effort to go after the war profiteers dflprincess Jul 2013 #123
My only problem with the phrase" Freedom isn't free" is that these people aren't included: hedgehog Jul 2013 #79
And that is essentially why I don't support the troops. MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #80
Absolutely-even during the Civil war, it was the poor man fighting the rich mans war KrazyinKS Jul 2013 #81
Rich people are always fucking over the poor people -- always have, always will Jessy169 Jul 2013 #84
Yep. If poor people let them. merrily Jul 2013 #97
We haven't had a Pearl Harbor because countries don't think like that anymore.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #85
Tell that to Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, et al. merrily Jul 2013 #87
You just did. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #93
Actually, I didn't. merrily Jul 2013 #95
Didn't you hear? They're monitoring us right now. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #98
M.A.D. obsoleted massive war between superpowers Jessy169 Jul 2013 #89
What we have are frustrated people fed up with being told to know their place.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #91
K&R idwiyo Jul 2013 #88
Absolutely, positively, Nailed It. bvar22 Jul 2013 #92
Thanks for stating this plainly. Every time I attend a sporting event a LibDemAlways Jul 2013 #94
Exactly. We used to have season tickets to football games at UNC. mnhtnbb Jul 2013 #155
I think its funny, Eisenhower,giving advice on war??? LOL. All Eisenhower gave us was Nixon. nt. graham4anything Jul 2013 #103
Korea was an exception DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #111
Eisenhower was concerned that the MIC costs would prevent building schools & hospitals. SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2013 #112
kr HiPointDem Jul 2013 #113
A government of, by, and for the corporations will tend to fight and scrape for every scrap indepat Jul 2013 #116
We have been attacked since Pearl Harbor: 9/11/2001. intheflow Jul 2013 #117
Thank you for your service, upaloopa mike dub Jul 2013 #119
Please don't forget..... TinkerTot55 Jul 2013 #120
General Smedley Darlington Butler, 1933 Triana Jul 2013 #122
This may also not be popular, but we didn't ask you to. ElboRuum Jul 2013 #124
I am not one to tell you that you are lucky for anything. I was drafted in April 1966. My draft upaloopa Jul 2013 #126
K & R, from another Vietnam Vet. AnotherDreamWeaver Jul 2013 #127
The Ohio Company formed before the USA. Hooray USA, built on genocide! Coyotl Jul 2013 #128
Thank you -- this so needed to be said! markpkessinger Jul 2013 #131
They fought for the freedom of Big Oil, Big Banks, Big Agra - Monsanto, etc. That is all. donheld Jul 2013 #132
Rec from me. n/t susanna Jul 2013 #133
How naive I was ngjtk Jul 2013 #134
I'm honored you added your post to this thread. I saw a documentry on Netflix called "Carrier". It upaloopa Jul 2013 #138
Hello ~ ngjtk In_The_Wind Jul 2013 #144
You fought to keep you and your buddies from dying. Pure and simple. Nanjing to Seoul Jul 2013 #137
Great post brush Jul 2013 #140
Thanks for the honesty. dotymed Jul 2013 #147
I was just thinking, what do you think African Americans in Vietnam and LGBT people in Iraq and upaloopa Jul 2013 #149
I agree with every word you said tavernier Jul 2013 #148
True, but it is not up to Us 4Q2u2 Jul 2013 #154
Thank You for saying it! Stainless Jul 2013 #158
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